This week’s episode is a special collaboration with The Disagreement, a new platform that aims to “celebrate and normalize healthy disagreement.” (Check them out!) Wisdom of Crowds is 100% behind that mission statement, and so it was natural for us to agree to record an episode together. Fans of Wisdom of Crowds will know that Shadi has recently completed a book about American power, tentatively titled, “On Power.” Fans will also know that he debated the socialist writer Dan Bessner of the podcast last summer, in our episode titled “Is a Better World Possible Without American Power?” A lot has happened since that episode air, especially in the Middle East. So it’s a good time for Shadi and Dan to consider that question again. Enjoy Hamid v. Bessner, Round 2. Required Reading and Listening: Hamid v. Bessner, Round 1: “Is a Better World Possible without American Power?” (Wisdom of Crowds) Shadi’s recent post about completing his manuscript: “The Art of Losing Well” (Wisdom of Crowds). The Disagreement homepage. This is a public episode. If you’d like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit wisdomofcrowds.live/subscribe

This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit wisdomofcrowds.live Christine and Damir kick things off by discussing a memoir about the fall of Communism in Albania. Damir reflects on his own post-Communist background, and ponders why Communist nostalgia affects only some countries, while others are not looking back. He wonders whether Christine is becoming a Communist herself after reading her essay about “Limitarianism,” a school of political thought that favors a cap on extreme wealth. Christine unpacks her own ideas about economic justice and democracy, and considers whether the Communist past in Europe should influence American political ideas for the future. For paid subscribers, the bonus part of the episode focuses on whether the United States or Europe has the better economic system, and whether European dreams of a “green” economy can survive competition with China. Required Reading: * Free: Coming of Age at the End of History by Lea Ypi. * The full story behind Joyce Carol Oates’ infamous tweet. * Damir’s Monday Note about Lea Ypi’s book. * Limitarianism by Ingrid Robeyns * “What Would Society Look Like if Extreme Wealth Were Impossible?” by Christine Emba (The Atlantic) * “The Price of Peace is Stagnation” by Janan Ganesh (The Financial Times)

This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit wisdomofcrowds.live This week’s podcast is a recording of a live event. Rachel M. Cohen, a senior policy reporter for Vox, recently published an essay where she asks: “To our generation, being a mom looks thankless, exhausting, and lonely. Can we change the story?” As listeners know, this question speaks right to the heart of Wisdom of Crowds. Christine and Shadi invited Rachel to discuss her piece before a live audience in Washington, DC on March 20. The topics of conversation included marriage, singleness, hope, dread, and love. For paid subscribers, the bonus content is an intense Q&A with the audience, where the Crowd challenges the panelists on several points. Required Reading: * “Why Millennials Learned to Dread Motherhood,” by Rachel M. Cohen (Vox). * “Men are Lost. Here’s a Map Out of the Wilderness,” by Christine Emba (Washington Post). * Shadi Hamid, “The Dilemmas of Living in a Post-Religious World” (Washington Post).

America is badly polarized. It’s a fact so pervasively acknowledged that pointing it out starts to feel like saying the sky is blue. Unlike a blue sky, however, growing polarization in America presents a difficult challenge. Because America is both incredibly diverse and a vibrant democracy, polarization starts to eat away at our politics. Many attempts have been made to deal with polarization. A lot of it has to do with putting people with diverging perspectives face-to-face in an attempt to try to find common ground. Here at Wisdom of Crowds, we have tackled the problem by taking only half of this approach: we insist that people in disagreement confront each other, but with no expectation of common ground emerging. We frequently talk about “deep difference.” We believe it’s naive to think that through reasoned discourse we can reach compromise positions. That does violence to the power of ideas and the strength of belief. We think it’s both healthier and more realistic to acknowledge that certain differences can’t be reconciled, and to instead direct the conversation toward respectful mutual interrogation — where the discussants push each other to excavate why they believe what they believe. Jen Murtazashvili is one person who is profoundly aligned with what we’re doing. She first came on the Wisdom of Crowds podcast in August of 2021 to talk about America’s withdrawal from Afghanistan. But both Shadi and Damir had gotten to know her almost a year earlier, during the start of COVID, when she kindly invited them both to participate in an online seminar about modus vivendi liberalism. Jen’s extensive work on Afghanistan had given her cause to be suspicious of top-down thinking that nation-building requires. She understands that societies are built from the bottom-up, from local insights, from particularism. Difference can’t be papered over. We have been planning to collaborate more with Jen’s Center for Governance and Markets at the University of Pittsburgh for some time. Today, we’re pleased to announce that collaboration is kicking off. In the coming months, you will see podcast episodes and essays that will carry the CGM logo, featuring guests and writers and thinkers that the three of us have decided we need to engage with. First principles and the spirit of modus vivendi will animate all of it. To launch the collaboration, we wanted to have Jen on the podcast. We didn’t explicitly set out to model exactly what we hope to achieve with the collaboration. But with the Gaza War in the background, it was impossible that we wouldn’t get to discussing it. As you’ll hear below, the conversation is deeply felt and argued — and remains unresolved. That’s as it should be. (The paywall is down on this one, so everyone can give it a listen.) We walked away from it energized to do more. We hope, dear listeners, you feel the same way. And you join us as we continue our Governing Deep Differences project. Required Reading (and Listening): * “Community Before Politics,” by Jennifer Brick Murtazashvili (Discourse Magazine). * “Two Friends — One Jewish, One Muslim — Have an Answer to Campus Conflict, by Jennifer Brick Murtazashvili and Abdesalam Soudi (Tablet). * “All Aboard the Compassion Bus — with Jen Murtazashvili,” on Ask a Jew Podcast (Apple). * A tweet by Senator Fetterman (X). * “The U.S. has more in common with South America than Europe,” by Samuel Goldman (The Week). * “Hamas’ Bid for Revolutionary Legitimacy,” by Damir Marusic (WoC). This is a public episode. If you’d like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit wisdomofcrowds.live/subscribe

Editor’s note: We haven’t done an episode quite like this before. I absolutely loved this conversation with the novelist Jordan Castro, one of the most exciting young American authors writing today. Because it was such a rich conversation, we’re leaving out the paywall so that everyone can have a listen. —Shadi Hamid, co-founder, Wisdom of Crowds What’s it actually like to be a novelist? And how does literary success—and some amount of fame and notoriety—change how people think of you? Special guest Jordan Castro joins Shadi and Santiago to talk about his novel, The Novelist, internet culture, converting to Christianity, his heroin addiction, love and, of course, literature. At nearly two hours it’s a rich and, dare we say it, epic chat on the stuff of life. If you’ve ever wanted to get in the brain of a writer, you won’t want to miss this. Really. Required Reading: * The Novelistby Jordan Castro * Internet Encyclopedia of Philosophy entry on René Girard * New anthology of Girard’s essential writings * Varieties of Religious Experience by William James * The Present Age: On the Death of Rebellion by Søren Kierkegaard * Dante: “I found myself within a forest dark …” * Plato’s Myth of the Cave in the Republic * Madame Bovary by Gustave Flaubert * The Perpetual Orgy: Flaubert and Madame Bovary by Mario Vargas Llosa * Maxime du Camp * Substance Abuse National Helpline: 1-800-662-HELP (4357) This is a public episode. If you’d like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit wisdomofcrowds.live/subscribe

This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit wisdomofcrowds.live In a late-night confab, Damir and Sam explore the meaning of experiences of wonder, which they each have written about for Wisdom of Crowds. For Sam, these unique experiences are the foundation for his beliefs about the nature of the world and human life. Damir, on the other hand, does not believe that the experience of wonder necessarily leads to metaphysical questions. This freewheeling, stay-up-all-night fever dream of a conversation covers the pitfalls of therapy, the science of happiness, and lots of ancient Greek literature. Required Reading: * Damir’s piece, “A Lost Sense of Wonder,” Wisdom of Crowds * Sam’s piece, “Desire, Sadness, and the World,” Wisdom of Crowds * Oliver Traldi, “Do You Know What You Want?”, Wisdom of Crowds * Charles Taylor, Sources of the Self * Charles Taylor, A Secular Age * Parmenides’ fragments

This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit wisdomofcrowds.live A recently-published memoir making headlines suggests a trend: Polyamory is going mainstream among high-status Americans. Culture critic and environmental studies professor Tyler Austin Harper joins Christine and Shadi to make sense of this fad, and explain why it’s both an upper-class luxury and a raw deal. Along the way they discuss happiness, self-expression, race, love, self-immolation, parenting, and a better way to live. Required Reading: * Tyler Austin Harper, “Polyamory, the Ruling Class’s Latest Fad.” * Tyler Austin Harper, “I’m a Black Professor. You Don’t Need to Bring That Up.” * Tyler Austin Harper, “The 100-Year Extinction Panic Is Back, Right on Schedule.” * Shadi Hamid, “Is Polyamory the Future?” * Molly Roden Winter, More: A Memoir of Open Marriage. * Janet W. Hardy and Dossie Easton, The Ethical Slut. * Philip Rieff, The Triumph of the Therapeutic: Uses of Faith after Freud. * Christine Emba, Rethinking Sex: A Provocation.

This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit wisdomofcrowds.live Christine and Damir discuss two personal essays from New York magazine that went viral last week. The first deals with divorce, the second with getting scammed. A flabbergasted Damir can’t believe they were published; he wonders if anyone outside New York would care to read them. Christine finds ironic wisdom buried in both essays. The conversation ends on a high note, with Christine explaining how one of the essays breaks new ground in the media monoculture. Required Reading: * Emily Gould, “The Lure of Divorce,” New York magazine. * Charlotte Cowls, “The Day I Put $50,000 in a Shoe Box and Handed It to a Stranger,” New York magazine. * Christine’s three theories about the above essays. * Elizabeth Wurtzel, Prozac Nation. * Kristen Roupenian, “Cat Person”. * Ross Douthat, The Decadent Society.

This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit wisdomofcrowds.live Jason Blakely of Pepperdine University joins Shadi and Damir to discuss his new book, Lost in Ideology: Interpreting Modern Political Life. A professor of political science, Jason claims that everyone has an ideology. The point is to be aware of it, and to remember that there’s always more to reality than your ideology can explain. Damir doesn’t buy it. The quest for power, he thinks, is what ultimately drives politics, not ideas. Meanwhile, Shadi tries to figure out Jason’s ideology. Required Reading: * Jason’s new book, Lost in Ideology: Interpreting Modern Political Life * Jason’s controversial Harper’s essay, “Doctor’s Orders” * Jason’s old book, We Built Reality: How Social Science Infiltrated Culture, Politics, and Power * Jorge Luis Borges, “On Exactitude in Science” * Thomas Hobbes, Leviathan * Niccolo Machiavelli, The Prince * Thomas More, Utopia * Desiderius Erasmus, In Praise of Folly * Anthony Fauci, “I represent science” statement and backlash

This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit wisdomofcrowds.live Our brand new Executive Editor, Santiago Ramos, joins Shadi and Damir to discuss his first-ever essay for Wisdom of Crowds, “Empathy for the Devil.” The essay is about the need for cognitive empathy in politics. But Damir wants to discuss something slightly different: Whether “the Good,” as a category, is something real, out in the world, or whether it is completely contingent on tribal allegiances. Santiago comes to the Good’s defense, and Shadi joins him in a good cop/also good cop situation. Required Reading & Listening: * Shadi’s big announcement * Santiago’s writing * Santiago’s debut Wisdom of Crowds essay, “Empathy for the Devil” * Robert Wright’s Nonzero Newsletter * The Rolling Stones, “Sympathy for the Devil” * Mikhail Bulgakov, The Master and the Margarita * Maurice Blondel, in the International Encyclopedia of Philosophy * Amy Winehouse, “You Know I’m No Good” Wisdom of Crowds is a platform challenging premises and understanding first principles on politics and culture. Join us!

This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit wisdomofcrowds.live Are ideas overrated? Shadi’s recent column (and controversial tweet) exploring the reasons behind Trump’s popularity launches a discussion about what exactly drives politics. Are politicians motivated by winning more than ideology? Do voters respond to strong personalities, rather than policies and promises? As expected, Damir makes a case for “materialism” over ideas. Shadi isn’t totally convinced. Required Reading: * Shadi, “The Peculiar Moderation of Donald Trump,” Washington Post, 1/25/2024 * Shadi’s tweet * Bruno Maçães’ tweet * David Ignatius, “The Midwest Tacks Hard Toward a Mideast ‘Moment of Truth’,” Washington Post, 2/1/2024 * Eduardo Porter, “Republicans’ Immigration Bill is Not Serious Legislation,” Washington Post, 2/2/2024 * Thomas Friedman, “A Biden Doctrine for the Middle East is Forming. And it’s Big,” New York Times, 1/31/2024 * Bruno Maçães on Wisdom of Crowds

This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit wisdomofcrowds.live Three months into the Israel-Gaza war, Shadi, Damir, and Sam get philosophical about morality and international relations. Is it realistic to expect states to behave morally? Is the Western concern for human rights real? Or is it merely a mask for self-interest and imperial rule? The American attitude toward the war has caused Shadi to doubt his conviction in the goodness of American power. Damir thinks he sees an opportunity to drag Shadi to his amoral way of analyzing the world. A familiar tussle follows, with each citing examples from history to make their case. Is America just another empire, doing what empires always do? Or is it an agent of democracy, prosperity, and moral progress, despite its many failings? In the full episode (for paying subscribers only), Sam increasingly intervenes in the debate, forcing Shadi (and to a lesser extent Damir) to justify their moral priors. Is democracy good in itself, or does the good come from faith and religion? Required Reading: * Shadi’s growing doubts (Twitter/X). * Damir growing glee at Shadi’s doubts (Twitter/X). * I Saw Satan Fall Like Lighting by René Girard. * Sam’s essay, “Relinquishing Utopia” * Humane: How the United States Abandoned Peace and Reinvented War by Samuel Moyn * Wisdom of Crowds episode with Samuel Moyn * Our now legendary episode with pseudonymous Muslim writer * ’s essay, “I wanted to love America” Wisdom of Crowds is a platform challenging premises and understanding first principles on politics and culture. Join us!

This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit wisdomofcrowds.live Longtime member of the Crowd and WoC contributor once called episodes when Shadi and Damir just chew over stuff “train wrecks”. (He meant it in an affectionate way — we think.) Well that’s what this episode is: a classic back and forth that ranges far and wide. Shadi asks Damir how his year ended. Damir admits he’s feeling properly burned out. Does following two bloody wars all too closely contribute to a feeling of helplessness? And isn’t feeling drained by reading about war itself a product of extreme privilege and luxury? With signs of wider conflict spreading in the Middle East, we still can’t properly wrap our heads around what a world-changing war might look like. In the full episode (for paying subscribers only), Shadi reveals how the rise of urban violence — DC surpassed Baltimore in murders last year — has him thinking about zombie movies, and the gnawing uncertainty that was the hallmark of the early days of COVID. Required Reading: * “The Unserious Generation,” by Damir Marusic (WoC). * “Unconstructive Ambiguity,” by Damir Marusic (WoC). Wisdom of Crowds is a platform challenging premises and understanding first principles on politics and culture. Join us!

This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit wisdomofcrowds.live Aaron Sibarium, a star reporter over at the Washington Free Beacon covering the campus culture wars, joined us this week to talk about Claudine Gay’s resignation. Aaron’s reporting on Gay’s plagiarism was instrumental in her eventual downfall. We start the episode discussing the merits of the case, but quickly switch gears to talk about first principles. What does it mean for our society if culture war becomes a war of personal destruction? Will it lead to a better world, in universities and more broadly, or have we just descended into another level of vengeful retribution? In the full episode (for paying subscribers only), we discuss the parallel with the Supreme Court, and the railroading of Robert Bork in 1987. The Court has never been the same since, and is arguably quite degraded since its mid-century heyday. Maybe this is all just the product of the inherent, glorious messiness of democracy? Or are we going the way of Weimar Germany? Required Reading: * “Fresh Allegations of Plagiarism Unearthed in Official Academic Complaint Against Claudine Gay,” by Aaron Sibarium (Washington Free Beacon). * “Harvard Itself Unearthed New Case of Plagiarism,” by Aaron Sibarium (Washington Free Beacon). * “Harvard President Claudine Gay Hit by Six New Charges of Plagiarism,” by Aaron Sibarium (Washington Free Beacon). * “Harvard’s President Claudine Gay Should Resign,” by Ruth Marcus (Washington Post). * “The Rise and Fall of Claudine Gay,” by Shadi Hamid (WoC). * “The Weimarization of the American Republic,” by Aaron Sibarium (American Purpose).

This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit wisdomofcrowds.live This week, our in-house philosopher and very own Editor-at-Large returns to the podcast for a one-on-one discussion with about wealth, ambition and whether they are the paths toward happiness. How do societal values, especially those in American culture, influence our sense of fulfillment? The guys probe why those who are perceived as the most successful — like tech entrepreneurs and posh weekend travelers — seem to be the least happy. This opens up questions about how those who face adversity find forms of happiness be it through a craft, a spiritual pursuit, or the broader expectations baked into their life circumstance. This deep and free-wheeling episode opens up rifts between Shadi and Sam’s perspectives on the utility of the happiness literature, the role economics and material success play, and what we sacrifice in the pursuit of what we think will ultimately bring us contentment. In the full episode (for paying subscribers only), Shadi and Sam continue exploring the tension between ambition and spiritual fulfillment. They explore how societal values, rooted in seeing humans as economic entities, lead to existential despair. Shadi calls attention to how religious practices, like Ramadan, compel individuals to break from a regimen of relentless productivity and consumption. This episode is a real treat and we’re excited to share it with you. Required Reading: * Friendship as Sacred Knowing: Overcoming Isolation by Samuel Kimbriel (Amazon). * “Thinking Is Risky” by Samuel Kimbriel (Wisdom of Crowds). * What Money Can't Buy: The Moral Limits of Markets by Michael Sandel (Amazon). * The Sickness Unto Death: A Christian Psychological Exposition For Upbuilding And Awakening by Soren Kierkegaard (Amazon). * More about Aspen Institute’s Society and Philosophy Initiative. Wisdom of Crowds is a platform challenging premises and understanding first principles on politics and culture. Join us!

This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit wisdomofcrowds.live We’re thrilled to publish the audio from our first major event in collaboration with Aspen Institute’s Philosophy & Society Initiative. P&S and Wisdom of Crowds have grown up together and are both relentlessly focused on getting down to first principle questions. Click the link below and add your email to the mailing list to find out when we’re doing more of these kinds of events. In this episode, we take on the crisis of masculinity. asks our own and Washington Post nonfiction book critic whether the crisis is in fact real, and if so, what can be done about it. Christine argues there is hard evidence that young men are struggling — young men are dropping out of school, their unemployment rates are up, and deaths of despair are rising. Becca is less convinced — she thinks we may be misdiagnosing the problem, and in doing so are entrenching harmful stereotypes and gender norms. In the full episode (for paying subscribers only) the audience chimes in with questions, and the conversation takes some surprising turns. Is modernity making heterosexual relationships more difficult? Is technology making re-evaluating gender roles easier? And who has the advantage on dating apps? Required Reading: * The Aspen Institute’s Philosophy and Society Initiative. * “If attitudes don’t shift, a political dating mismatch will threaten marriage” by Editorial Board (The Washington Post). * “How to be a man? Josh Hawley has the (incoherent) answers” by Becca Rothfeld (Washington Post). * “Men are lost. Here’s a map out of the wilderness” by Christine Emba (The Washington Post). * “‘The Two-Parent Privilege’ gets caught in the trap of convention,” by Becca Rothfeld (Washington Post). * “Single moms know marriage would be ideal, but how do they get one?” by Christine Emba (Washington Post). * “An uneasy political marriage... or not” by Christine Emba (Wisdom of Crowds). * The Two-Parent Privilege: How Americans Stopped Getting Married and Started Falling Behind by Melissa Kearney (Amazon). * Backlash: The Undeclared War Against American Women by Susan Faludi (Amazon). * Rethinking Sex: A Provocation by Christine Emba (Amazon). * Manhood: The Masculine Virtues America Needs (Amazon). Wisdom of Crowds is a platform challenging premises and understanding first principles on politics and culture. Join us!

This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit wisdomofcrowds.live What constitutes justifiable warfare—and how should the overall impact of conflicts be evaluated? With the United States being so closely associated with Israel’s war, is it possible to still envision America as a “force for good” in the world? One of America’s leading leftist intellectuals, Samuel Moyn, joins us to debate these questions and much more. Sam is the Chancellor Kent Professor of History at Yale University and the author of Humane: How the United States Abandoned Peace and Reinvented War and most recently Liberalism Against Itself: Cold War Intellectuals and the Making of Our Times. Amid the ongoing war in Gaza, the conversation dives into the potential for humane wars and whether progress, even in war, is possible. While Sam acknowledges that the conduct of war has become more “targeted” and “proportional,” he argues that relatively more humane wars can distract us from more ultimate questions of whether wars are just or moral in the first place. The questions at hand sharply divide Sam, and in this charged conversation. In the post-9/11 era, the U.S. has pioneered a new way of waging war, with lawyers present at various levels of military decisions. But what has resulted is a world where wars are endless in part because they are less lethal. Is this “progress” or is it something more sinister? In the full episode (for paying subscribers only), the three clash over moral warfare in the real world, including whether American hegemony has prevented large-scale conflicts and can continue to do so, including between China and Taiwan. Has American dominance been good for the world, on balance? Yes, less people die and there may be less major wars, but Sam argues that this is an unacceptably minimalist standard for judging progress. What, then, is the alternative? The conversation ends with Sam’s optimistic vision for a narrative of progress that focuses on pivoting the U.S. in a leftward direction that avoids repeating the mistakes of an overly interventionist era. Required Reading: * Humane: How the United States Abandoned Peace and Reinvented War, by Samuel Moyn (Amazon). * Liberalism Against Itself: Cold War Intellectuals and the Making of Our Times, by Samuel Moyn (Amazon). * Black Snow: Curtis LeMay, the Firebombing of Tokyo, and the Road to the Atomic Bomb, by James M. Scott (Amazon). * The Hamid-Moyn cage match on whether America is a force for good in the world, hosted by Intelligence Squared (YouTube). * “The Moral Dilemmas of Total War,” by Tom Barson (Wisdom of Crowds). Wisdom of Crowds is a platform challenging premises and understanding first principles on politics and culture. Join us!

This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit wisdomofcrowds.live Why do Americans struggle so much to understand Palestinians? A former advisor to the Palestinian leadership and a participant in the doomed 2008 Annapolis peace talks, Khaled Elgindy has written arguably the definitive account of America’s blind spot. In Blind Spot: America and the Palestinians, from Balfour to Trump, Khaled chronicles how time and time again the U.S. has failed to see the Palestinians as actors in their own right. But beyond the specifics of policy, there is a question of humanity—specifically, the seeming inability or unwillingness of American politicians to extend any genuine consideration towards Palestinians’ suffering. The White House’s empathy gap has surprised even Khaled. He traces this back to an affinity for Israel’s Western liberal values but also the various and entrenched mythologies that obscure the dispossession of Palestinians. Khaled, Damir, and Shadi clash over whether Cold War geopolitics is what drove America to deprioritize the ethical considerations of Palestinians and whether Israeli consensus sees a distinction between Hamas and Palestinians broadly. In the full episode (for paying subscribers only), the three debate how much blame Hamas deserves for provoking a war whose burden ordinary Palestinians would have to bear. What was Hamas thinking—and when the fighting stops, will Palestinians direct their anger towards Hamas and other militants? Is it possible to envision a future scenario where Hamas, now chastened by its first total war with Israel, fully commits to politics and eschews armed struggle? Finally, the three discuss whether it’s reasonable to expect Israeli officials to care about Palestinian suffering. This is the reality of states, particularly after the other side has been dehumanized: they simply don’t care. Why should Israel care? This leads into a sobering consideration of nightmare scenarios in which tens of thousands of Palestinians may die, including from the “slow death” of hunger and disease. Require Reading: * Blind Spot: America and the Palestinians, from Balfour to Trump by Khaled Elgindy (Amazon). * “A cease-fire in Gaza isn’t a fantasy. Here’s how it could work.” by Shadi Hamid (The Washington Post). * “Thinking About Peace” by Damir Marusic. (Wisdom of Crowds). * Khaled’s Twitter page. Wisdom of Crowds is a platform challenging premises and understanding first principles on politics and culture. Join us!

This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit wisdomofcrowds.live After nearly a month of being consumed by the Israel-Hamas war, and take a step back to evaluate the prospects of an end to the violence, while still probing their own priors. Damir argues that “moral clarity” is often anything but clarifying, but concedes that “realism” can be self-defeating, because people can’t help but think in both emotional and moral terms during a conflict like this. Meanwhile, Shadi opens up about his inner struggles reconciling his sympathy for the plight of Palestinians and his role as an analyst called on to come up with meaningful solutions to intractable problems. The conversation turns to rifts opening up at home. Support for President Biden among Arab Americans has plummeted, and a generational divide is also becoming apparent. But has youth activism on the Palestinian question actually succeeded in shifting U.S. policy and attitudes towards the conflict more broadly? In the full episode (for paying subscribers only) Shadi and Damir discuss their experiences in Israel. As early as 2019 (when both of them last visited), even the left-wingers in Israel sounded pretty right-wing. What will this war mean for the future of Israeli politics? Are Israeli and American interests aligned in any meaningful sense? And is “democracy vs. autocracy” really the best framework for thinking about the world? Required Reading: * “Ceasefire, Plans and Activism” by Shadi Hamid (Wisdom of Crowds). * “Hamas’ Bid for Revolutionary Legitimacy” by Damir Marusic (Wisdom of Crowds). * “Is ISIS rational?” by Shadi Hamid (The Atlantic). * Our previous podcast episode, “The End of the World As We Know It”, with Robert Nicholson. * “Israel’s two wars” by Matt Yglesias (Slow Boring). * “Dick Durbin first U.S. senator to call for Gaza ceasefire, tied to Hamas' release of hostages” (CBS News). * Zack Beauchamp’s tweet about Hamas spokesman’s crappy propaganda. * American attitudes on support for Israel (Matt Yglesias on Twitter). * Americans blaming Hamas for Palestinian casualties (Aaron Astor on Twitter). * Quinnipiac poll of registered voters on sending weapons to Israel. * Data For Progress poll on likely voters support for a ceasefire between Israel and Hamas. * Zogby-Arab American Institute poll, including declining favorability of Biden among Arab Americans. Wisdom of Crowds is a platform challenging premises and understanding first principles on politics and culture. Join us!

This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit wisdomofcrowds.live In a charged and often emotional conversation, and welcome Robert Nicholson, the president of the Philos Project, to discuss the pro-Israel perspective as the war in Gaza intensifies. Many Israeli voices have veered sharply to the right. However much we may disagree with these views, we have to understand them. Robert, a Christian and self-described Zionist, expresses empathy for the Israeli perception of an existential threat next door. Hamas’ attacks have undermined, perhaps fatally, any hope that Israelis might have had that peaceful co-existence is possible not just with Palestinians but with Arabs more broadly. The three consider alternative scenarios, including a reoccupation of Gaza or a policy of complete and total separation. In the United States, meanwhile, Arab Americans are reacting with despair at President Biden’s stalwart support of Israel. Shadi finds himself in the unenviable position of writing a book subtitled “The Case for American Dominance.” If this is what American dominance looks like, Shadi wonders, can he really support it? And how is he supposed to make the case to Arabs and Muslims that America is, on balance, a force for good? In the full episode (for paying subscribers only), Shadi, Damir and Robert delve into tricky territory, debating whether “Islamic exceptionalism” makes it difficult for Muslims to ever really accept a U.S.-led order and to ever accept a world in which Israel is as powerful as it is. Were the religious passions that are now being unleashed across the Arab world inevitable—or could they have been tamed and contained by democracy? Damir and Robert argue that the Israeli-Palestinian conflict isn’t really about Israel or Palestine but is a proxy for a deeper set of religious, cultural, and civilizational fault lines. In this sense, there may be no way out and no room for compromise. And Arabs and Muslims—as well as much of the Global South—may feel compelled to choose between two drastically different visions of world order: one led by the United States and the other led by America’s growing list of adversaries. There is, as they say, no alternative. Required Reading: * “The Death of the Two-State Solution,” by Damir Marusic (The American Interest). * “Eight Steps to Shrink the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict,” by Micah Goodman (The Atlantic). * “Support for Mass Protest on the Rise in Gaza and the West Bank,” by Catherine Cleveland (The Washington Institute for Near-East Policy). * Public Opinion Poll Number 89 (The Palestinian Center for Policy and Survey Research). * Islamic Exceptionalism, by Shadi Hamid (Amazon). * ‘I Have No Pain Left to Feel,’ by Shadi Hamid (Substack). * Our first episode after Hamas’ attacks in Israel, a classic Damir and Shadi conversation. * Our conversation with on Israel, Hamas, and why nonviolence failed. Wisdom of Crowds is a platform challenging premises and understanding first principles on politics and culture. Join us!