Summary
The conversation covers various topics including marathon training, swimming progress, injury management, supporting runners in ultra races, personal updates and challenges, managing stress and emotions, training and uni commitments, and work schedule and fitness routine. The conversation covers topics such as dedication to fitness classes, different demographics at different times, working out at different times of day, darkness in the morning, daylight savings, short days and snow, being disconnected from school term, combining running and strength training, managing DOMS, the benefits of combining running and strength training, the perception of weightlifting, improving range of movement and technique, and the mental benefits of combining running and strength training. The conversation emphasizes the importance of finding a routine that works for each individual and the benefits of incorporating both running and strength training into a fitness regimen.
Takeaways
Training for a marathon requires adjusting the pace and intensity of training runs based on the target marathon pace.
Swimming can be challenging to incorporate into a training routine due to logistical factors, but it offers benefits such as improved fitness and reduced impact on the body.
Managing injuries like plantar fasciitis requires a combination of rest, recovery, and targeted exercises.
Supporting runners in ultra races can be emotionally rewarding but also challenging, as it involves witnessing both triumphs and disappointments.
Balancing personal commitments, such as birthdays and uni exams, with training and work schedules requires careful planning and prioritization.
It's important to listen to your body and allow for rest and recovery, especially when dealing with physical and mental fatigue.
Establishing a consistent fitness routine, even with a rotating work schedule, can help maintain motivation and progress towards fitness goals.
Chapters
00:00 Introduction and Marathon Training
00:30 Swimming Progress and Challenges
06:22 Supporting Runners and Ultra Races
09:43 Personal Updates and Challenges
13:56 Managing Stress and Emotions
15:22 Training and Uni Commitments
23:33 Dedication to Fitness Classes
24:01 Different Demographics at Different Times
25:11 Working Out at Different Times of Day
26:18 Darkness in the Morning
26:42 Daylight Savings
27:13 Short Days and Snow
28:28 Disconnected from School Term
30:19 Combining Running and Strength Training
32:10 Managing DOMS (Delayed Onset Muscle Soreness)
33:02 Benefits of Combining Running and Strength Training
36:18 Perception of Weightlifting
38:48 Improving Range of Movement and Technique
42:25 Mental Benefits of Combining Running and Strength Training
43:28 Maintaining Sanity and Progression
Transcript
zoey @opmove (00:00.676)
sort of necessarily like have a particular structure because it always like takes like a while to get back in the habit of like talking to people. And so but I just was thinking you know what it was I was listening to another podcast that I really like but they were talking about somebody had sent in a question actually one of the musicians from Thirsty Merc I think.
Treacy (00:09.685)
Thank you.
Jo (00:10.19)
I'm going to go to bed.
Kirsten (00:10.198)
Yeah.
zoey @opmove (00:30.436)
sort of like a bit of a crossover about how if you run a marathon at a slower pace then in training your marathon pace would be closer to your easy run pace than if you were running it faster and so like would that change how you would do training and a bunch of them were like well I don't really coach anyone who runs a marathon in under three and a half hours.
Kirsten (00:56.91)
Yeah.
zoey @opmove (00:58.5)
Wow, well that's a giant like gaping hole in your coaching practice that is. But anyway, I just thought we could just sort of like talk a little bit about how our week has been and then we'll just like see what happens and um so how's your swimming been Kirsten?
Kirsten (01:05.314)
Wow, yeah.
Kirsten (01:27.446)
Yeah, it's been awesome. I actually just put a post up in the Facebook group tonight because I realised today that I've only got 2.3 kilometres left to go for my 20k swim goal for the month. And I'm pretty stoked with that. I'm pretty pleased with myself. So I had, when I got back in the pool in just December with some regularity.
I had set myself up to just low expectations, swim 500 metres at a go, no pressure. If I only spent 15 minutes in the pool, then that was fine. And so it took me three months to swim 20 kilometres leading up to March. So to swim nearly 20k in the last three and a half weeks is just blowing my mind just a little bit.
Treacy (02:19.684)
have.
Jo (02:23.987)
Thank you.
Treacy (02:25.103)
Big.
Kirsten (02:26.806)
It's huge. So I'm hoping that it won't be long now before my shoulders are so massive that I have to walk sideways through the door because I've sweat so much. So it kind of made me walk around with my chest puffed out a little bit today. I'm actually really proud of what I've been doing in the pool. We did some drills and
Treacy (02:37.967)
Hehehehe
Jo (02:40.526)
I'm going to go to bed.
zoey @opmove (02:53.3)
It's so much harder to get in the pool than it is to go outside for a walk. There are so many more moving parts. You can get there, there's a change of clothes involved, then you're wet. You know, like, it's like, oh my God.
Treacy (03:00.068)
Okay.
Kirsten (03:01.682)
Oh, logistics, yeah.
Treacy (03:05.734)
Yeah.
Kirsten (03:07.722)
Yeah.
Kirsten (03:13.003)
And it's funny enough, we do drills and things like that in the pool and for squad and I just share a lane with another fellow. There's only two of us who do adult swim squad and we swim next to two lanes full of all these 16 and 17 year olds who are flying up and down the pool doing all varieties of strokes and the two of us are just being old in the lane next to each other.
them. And we're being a whole, and we got out of pool this morning and we don't speak to each other for the whole hour because you're at the ends at different times. And so it's a really anti-social sport compared to running, which you can talk and run and bond and share trauma and all that sort of stuff. And you can get to know someone pretty well over the course of a bit of run training together.
Jo (03:42.084)
Bingo!
Kirsten (04:07.35)
We were speaking to each other afterwards and it turns out he's a runner as well. And he just ran a marathon the other weekend and then he went to the dark side about a year ago and he started doing triathlons. So I vow solemnly, I solemnly swear I will, I promise I will never, I will never do it. I don't like the bike enough to ever do a triathlon. Also can't run at the moment. So, but yeah, it was.
It's interesting. So I've signed up for another month. I figure the last four weeks have gone really quickly with squad and I don't know, maybe I'm enjoying it. So I like the challenge, I like the structure, I like being told what to do. I don't have to think about it. I don't have to decide what I'm going to do that day. It's like going to the gym for your workouts.
zoey @opmove (05:00.948)
Do you think that it's helped with the planter might go at that time in the water?
Treacy (05:01.506)
Mm.
Kirsten (05:06.266)
Yeah, my plantar fasciitis is really good at the moment. I don't think about it anywhere near as much as I used to. But it's hard to say because I've, you know, all at the same time I have started going back to the gym, I have increased my swimming and I have been wearing my custom inserts since late, very late December, early January.
And plus I changed to a much less stressful job where I'm not on my feet all day. So there's so many variables that would be really difficult to say what's helped the most. So yeah, but it has my plantar fasciitis is heaps, heaps better. So it's like, I would say 80% better.
zoey @opmove (05:54.427)
So good just not having to think about it all the time.
Jo (05:56.549)
Thank you.
Treacy (05:57.055)
Yeah, right.
Kirsten (05:59.65)
considering it would just consume my thoughts, like my feet hurt all day, every day, for the last, you know, for the better part of the last 16 months, it would, and it would keep me awake at night and all that sort of stuff to have it to the point where I don't even think about it for hours on end now. So, yeah, it's a huge change.
zoey @opmove (06:22.192)
Yeah, that's nice. What about you, Jo? What have you been up to?
Kirsten (06:24.216)
Mmm.
Jo (06:26.39)
That's awesome though.
Kirsten (06:29.702)
Yeah, I'm pretty excited. Pretty proud of myself. Yeah, I did on Thursday at the gym. I'm just doing once or twice a week at the moment because just sort of going by how I'm feeling. I'm tired. I'm really tired.
Jo (06:34.39)
Have you done any more run walks?
Jo (06:42.079)
Yeah.
Jo (06:52.526)
It's good you're swimming so far now.
Treacy (06:53.903)
Yeah, I was about to say you've done a million kilometers.
Jo (06:58.433)
Yes.
Kirsten (06:59.446)
really fucking tired. So yeah, and it's, you know, and I'm, yeah, I'm 47 years old and I'm really tired. So, four kids and working full time and you know, so yeah, so if I feel up to it, I will jump on the treadmill. I'm too scared to run outside. I'm terrified I'm going to re-injure my ankle.
So I'm just working with that and I'm just happy to run on the treadmill. Last week I was listening to Taylor Swift's ERAS playlist on Spotify. So a lot of her songs are around three and a half minutes long and very convenient. So I'd run for three minutes and then I'd walk for a minute and then I'd run for three minutes. I'd walk for a minute and then...
Jo (07:40.91)
Thanks.
Kirsten (07:57.226)
and I'd sort of bop along to a bit of Tay-Tay. It was super, it felt good. I did 20 minutes all up doing that and my feet are not any more sore after doing that than if I wasn't to do it. So I'm taking that as a big win as well. Hmm. Yeah. So yeah, it's pretty, I'm...
Jo (08:18.358)
That's huge.
Kirsten (08:27.342)
I don't know, I think I'm trying to exercise a little bit of self control.
with it. So, and I'm just trying to listen to my body, which is also, you know, not something that we always do very well, can I say? So, yeah. And also where that I don't, you know, like I've just taken a big chunk of stress out of my life with my change of job. So,
I'm aware that I've filled a big energy gap there with exercise, but it's still stress on the body, right? So I just need to be aware that I allow myself enough rest and don't just think that I'm because it's exercise, it's good and I have to have more. That I, you know, I still need to.
rest and have some downtime and things like that.
zoey @opmove (09:43.708)
What have you been up to, Jay?
Jo (09:48.074)
Work?
Treacy (09:49.175)
Is that me?
zoey @opmove (09:49.473)
Yeah. I can't laugh.
Kirsten (09:52.13)
Supporting
Jo (09:53.462)
Yeah, I was working out at a big ultra race this weekend, this past weekend called Northburn, which I've run myself. And I was working in the support tent supporting runners that didn't have support crew. So that was actually really awesome. I had the best time, like just helping people out and refilling bottles and...
Treacy (09:56.551)
Can I just check, is that me that keeps disappearing or you guys?
Jo (10:20.966)
getting people out the door, convincing people that they could actually keep going and holding hands and walking people out onto the course and yeah it was awesome really good. Lots of fun and lots of friends and stuff because it's a local race so lots of people that I know were there either working or like supporting or actually running so lots of fun lots and lots of fun.
Treacy (10:40.155)
Thanks for watching!
zoey @opmove (10:43.407)
Mm.
zoey @opmove (10:47.556)
Oh, that's good. It can always be a bit of a, like, sort of like, sometimes those things can go one of two ways. Like, it could look really great, or it could be really hard, and sometimes like a bit of both, I guess.
Jo (10:59.39)
Yeah.
Jo (11:06.218)
Yeah, I mean there were some hard moments. I have a good mate who was, it was the third, no second time that he's tried to do the miler there and he got to 80Ks and just couldn't go any further. So that was really hard and I saw him when he came back and yeah he was very down on himself, very upset about it all.
zoey @opmove (11:09.089)
Mm.
Jo (11:35.85)
That was interesting. I saw him again the next day and the day after that. So we've sort of caught up and talked about stuff. And that was, but yeah, that was really hard. And I was like, oh, if I, if I'd been able to run, I could have been his pacer for that section and maybe it would have been fine. And...
zoey @opmove (11:55.571)
in.
Kirsten (11:58.439)
But maybe it wouldn't have been, you know, yeah. Yeah, 80K is in, you still got half a race to run, haven't you, so, it's hard. And did it pull at the heartstrings a little bit? Did it make you, I know you had said that it was, you know, an incredible heart-filling opportunity and, you know, thing to do with your weekend, but was it also?
Jo (12:00.33)
Yeah exactly, you just don't know.
Jo (12:07.71)
Oh yeah.
zoey @opmove (12:09.8)
Yeah, it's still a really long way.
Kirsten (12:26.538)
I know when I've done it for you, Joe, it's a little bit... it tugs a little bit, you know?
Jo (12:31.702)
A little bit. It was really interesting because one of my best mates actually turned up out there at like 10 o'clock at night to do what I was doing as well. And we were both talking about it because I'm actually injured at the moment so I can't run that far. And he was sort of saying, are you feeling those tingles about wanting to go do this again?
And I was like, yeah, I've totally got it. I said, but I really don't want to do it here. So it's not worrying me so much this weekend. Like I'm done with this race. I'm never going back here to race. So that wasn't too bad.
Kirsten (13:01.132)
Hahahaha
zoey @opmove (13:01.844)
Thank you.
Kirsten (13:06.756)
Yeah.
Yeah.
Kirsten (13:14.722)
It is an incredibly fulfilling thing to do, isn't it? Like, you know, it just, it fills your soul. It really does.
Jo (13:18.919)
Oh yeah.
Jo (13:22.486)
Oh absolutely, like I was just like on, like I was up for way too long. I'm pretty sure I was delirious. But um, yeah, I was still so happy the whole time. So, no it was awesome. So yeah that was me, that's what I've been up to, that and lots of physio and mobility and trying to contain my shit and not lose it.
Kirsten (13:53.242)
I'm sorry.
Jo (13:56.835)
Bye!
zoey @opmove (13:57.277)
that's how I feel.
Jo (13:59.245)
Sorry.
zoey @opmove (14:00.813)
Part of that scenario is the last.
Jo (14:02.571)
Yeah!
Jo (14:06.226)
I may have lost it a couple of times in the past few weeks, but that's okay.
Kirsten (14:06.516)
I don't know.
Kirsten (14:11.554)
You wouldn't be humid if you didn't, I don't reckon. So, you know, it's, it's only natural, I think. This means a lot to you. You know, your running means a lot to you. So, if you weren't upset and stressing and all that sort of stuff.
Jo (14:15.926)
Yeah.
Jo (14:24.957)
Oh yeah.
Kirsten (14:33.174)
that it wouldn't be right. It wouldn't be you.
Jo (14:37.656)
Yeah, that wouldn't be me.
zoey @opmove (14:43.157)
point to make this says that
Jo (14:43.906)
I'm just glad most people know that about me so that they know this is just normal Jo and it's okay if she's not running.
Kirsten (14:48.274)
It's just, yeah, this is just, this is just the normal freak out when you're not running. Yeah. That's funny.
Jo (14:53.95)
Yeah, pretty much. We'll just let it run its course.
zoey @opmove (14:58.06)
Yeah, she's just trying to like pop on to, I think, switching to a computer off her phone and hoping that fixes it. So I had, what did I do last week? I just had like such a busy week with work. I ended up being like skipping runs at the beginning of the week and then I was like, hey.
Kirsten (15:03.754)
Okay, yeah. So what about you Zoe? What's your training vein doing?
Jo (15:05.751)
Okay.
zoey @opmove (15:22.16)
I'll just like make it up at the end of the week. But then I ended up running like 57 kilometers in three days, including a double. And like so I then was supposed to do like 12 kilometers yesterday. And I got to like three and I was like, no, I'll just, you know.
zoey @opmove (15:53.817)
finish the loop so I'm close to home and call that for the day and have a rest day for today. It's funny how I can get up to 50 kilometers a week super easy. That's no problem, doesn't impact body at all really. But then once you get to like...
Kirsten (16:08.302)
Mm.
zoey @opmove (16:13.248)
70, 75, then all of a sudden that's when like things like have to start rolling stuff, have to start, have to concern my family, you know, and I was like yeah I just got to be smart because the only time I've sort of like got a like a stress fracture from
Jo (16:19.694)
I'm sorry.
Kirsten (16:22.122)
Do it up the body maintenance.
zoey @opmove (16:38.032)
running as opposed to just like an idiot fracture where like I've like kicked a wall or dropped something on my foot, was when I was just like, I don't really think of it as over training, I just think of it as under recovering. So I mean I guess it's like much of a muchness really but.
Kirsten (16:56.279)
Mm.
Kirsten (17:00.994)
Yeah.
zoey @opmove (17:01.324)
it sort of like more felt like it was less about the volume I was doing it and more about like pushing through when I should have had more rest. So I was just like oh you know like I'll just you know um but I'm just slowly trying to move like I sort of had a few weeks that are off like that and I really want to get to the point where Sunday's my rest day but that's going to be a
Jo (17:21.026)
for that.
zoey @opmove (17:31.158)
slowly like moving it along. So like this week it's Tuesday, and I know that I'm not gonna be able to like go through like 10 to whatever days to push that next week. So it's just like, I just like push it along a little bit and just, yeah, like I think like this week will just be more.
Jo (17:34.71)
Thank you.
Jo (17:46.739)
laughs
zoey @opmove (17:54.256)
like mobility and stretching and doing all of the other things to sort of accommodate everything and just more, you know, like more gymming because like I've sort of noticed that my ITV gets cranky but then I go do some squats and it's fine.
Kirsten (18:05.57)
Hmm.
Jo (18:18.686)
Yeah, makes a huge difference doesn't it?
zoey @opmove (18:21.572)
Yeah and just like and I've got like a bit of a sprint to the end with uni so we're doing I'm doing introduction to biomechanics and I've got like we're doing like seven
seven week terms now, which means they're like quite condensed. So I've got like a test this weekend and then they're getting real big on these interview exams at the end. And they're like, it's fine, we've got this memory bank of questions and these are the only questions we can ask you, but there's like 60 of them.
Kirsten (18:56.811)
Oh wow, that sounds awful.
Thanks.
zoey @opmove (19:07.94)
So I might like a lot of, it's a lot of questions. Yeah, and also ideally I would have done, like it's not a prerequisite, but they recommended that you would have done functional musculoskeletal anatomy, which I have not done just to do that scheduling. So I'm kind of a little bit behind on
Kirsten (19:12.002)
That's a lot of preparation, Jesus Christ.
Kirsten (19:29.535)
Mm.
zoey @opmove (19:35.388)
that sort of stuff which will take like a little bit more catching up and then also within the next couple of weeks the kids have their birthdays on the 8th and 10th of April so I'm just gonna like got like the uni five million birthdays and it's like 16 and 13 so it's quite a it's not like a phone it in birthday unfortunately.
Kirsten (19:58.826)
No, it's like, yeah, you've got some, yeah, you've got birthday month, haven't you?
zoey @opmove (20:04.376)
Yeah, but at least the uni thing winds up with I finish uni when they finish term and then we both get like school holidays off which would be awesome so I'm excited about that. What about you Tracy? How's your week been?
Treacy (20:25.612)
Alright, I don't know, like I keep dropping out the internet so I don't know if you keep losing me or not. I'm trying to... Noah won't turn off Roblox or whatever.
zoey @opmove (20:38.248)
That's right.
Kirsten (20:41.686)
HMMM
Treacy (20:42.979)
it just chews up the internet that yeah it's been really busy this week working AM so that means I have to be out of the house really early and yeah I've just been working like I only worked nine days of fortnight but they seem to have all been like near each other at the moment so just been working here
zoey @opmove (21:06.225)
Thank you.
Kirsten (21:09.686)
The rotating roster is a bit of a killer, isn't it, Tracy?
Treacy (21:12.455)
Yeah, I really hate it. I like having a day off during the week and I like starting later because I like to be able to go to shops and stuff without people around. But yeah, not having the regular routine is really hard. But I earn so much more money.
Kirsten (21:16.374)
Hehehehehehe
zoey @opmove (21:16.872)
Thank you.
Kirsten (21:28.418)
Mm.
zoey @opmove (21:34.552)
I even struggle to get everything done. Like I work four days a week and I struggle to get everything done. Like even with having the day off, like the amount of appointments that I have to get kids to and it's like a Ponzi scheme of appointments. Like as soon as I get through one appointment, they give me two more appointments.
Treacy (21:43.336)
Yeah.
Treacy (21:51.645)
Yes.
Jo (21:59.15)
Thank you.
Kirsten (21:59.734)
It's like a reward scheme, isn't it? Congratulations. I think you do really well Tracy to get to the gym and the with the consistency that you do. Hats off, especially with the early starts. I think it's, it's actually really impressive that your dedication to your fitness and your mental health.
zoey @opmove (22:02.544)
I have to go to. Oh my god, there's more. There's more!
Jo (22:06.358)
Thank you.
Treacy (22:09.953)
Yeah.
Treacy (22:15.23)
and love.
Treacy (22:19.519)
I think that's.
Treacy (22:26.719)
Oh, thanks. I think now though, it's also just more of a habit. Like, it's the only like that's my routine. And like, because I'm really, I find it really difficult. Like, there are other classes during the day, but I can't go to them. I can only go to the 16 ones in my head. And I do like go to other ones, go to my trainer at different times a day.
zoey @opmove (22:45.662)
Yeah.
Treacy (22:54.211)
Um, yeah, so I have this real issue, like if I miss the six a.m. class, um, or don't have my trainer that day, I find it really hard to do anything. Because, um, yeah, so, and I think.
Kirsten (23:05.45)
Yeah. Time gets away, the day gets away from you too, doesn't it?
Treacy (23:10.995)
Yeah, but also just because I can't, I just can't go to the gym at another time. And I have this thing about if I go to the gym, when I know my trainer's gonna be there, he'll be able to see me, and if I'm not doing the thing right or something, and I want him to see that.
Kirsten (23:16.886)
Yeah.
zoey @opmove (23:33.856)
It is funny the few times that I've been, because I always go to the gym at 5 a.m. And occasionally, like maybe it's been little holidays or something else has happened and I've gone at 9.30 and the people will be like, oh, are you new? And that's just how dedicated people are to their class. So like if you go to 5 a.m., you're never gonna see somebody who goes to 9.30 ever, for any reason.
Jo (23:42.434)
Thank you.
Treacy (23:52.699)
Oh no, thank you.
Treacy (24:01.435)
Yeah, that's right. Yeah. It's like, when it so for example, if I go to the trainer at like three or two or whatever, because of my roster, he just had he's really good, like he squeezed me in, but it means I don't ever have the same time. So sometimes I'm seeing him on adapt like at three o'clock or other times at seven in the morning. And it's so weird seeing I'm like
Kirsten (24:01.504)
Yeah.
Treacy (24:29.243)
Who are these people? I've never seen them before. That was like a totally different demographic at certain times of day. And yeah, that's really, yeah.
zoey @opmove (24:31.636)
I'm going to go to bed.
Jo (24:31.874)
Hehehe
Kirsten (24:32.624)
Who are these people at my gym?
Kirsten (24:38.683)
It is, isn't it? Yeah, it's a totally different crowd. Yeah.
zoey @opmove (24:42.516)
Even like this week we had to reschedule PT so normally I go at like 10 30 on Friday but because it's Good Friday we reschedule on public holidays and I said, could we do Wednesday morning and he's like I can't do Wednesday morning but I could do Wednesday afternoon and in my mind I was like that's a crazy talk, like what are you doing? And he's like I could do like
Treacy (25:07.664)
Yeah.
Jo (25:08.03)
Yeah.
zoey @opmove (25:11.76)
because I had uni and he's like, we could do 345. And I'm like, I guess, but it feels really wrong. That's like 345 is chocolate biscuit time.
Treacy (25:20.263)
Yeah, yeah, that's yeah, I don't know about you guys, but I find it really awesome. Yeah, I find it really hard to work out later on the day after been eating all day and stuff as well. Yeah.
Jo (25:20.586)
I'm sorry.
Kirsten (25:33.858)
Hmm. Yes. Yep. I agree. It starts, yeah. And it's old, you know, running in the afternoon kind of thing is the same. It's like, do you like, how do I work my food? If I'm, you know, you got to eat early enough so that you don't feel sick while you work out or go for a run or whatever. And then, oh yeah, no, it's hard. And then if you do something really awesome, you're a bit pumped, try to get to sleep afterwards.
Treacy (25:46.631)
Yeah.
Treacy (25:53.061)
Yeah.
zoey @opmove (26:02.388)
Thank you.
Treacy (26:02.574)
Yeah. No, I, yeah. Yeah.
Kirsten (26:05.239)
It's really difficult.
zoey @opmove (26:08.109)
Yeah, I mean I have been because it's just so I don't know. What's it like in New Zealand? Joe? There's like here. It is so dark in the morning
Jo (26:18.178)
Oh it's ridiculously dark. The sun doesn't come up till 7.30. Well it's actually closer to 8 now. So yeah. That's ridiculous. Yeah. But that's just the way it is.
Treacy (26:18.21)
Yeah.
zoey @opmove (26:20.617)
Oh, is it? Okay.
Oh god.
zoey @opmove (26:27.68)
Uh.
Treacy (26:29.811)
No.
Kirsten (26:31.747)
Wow. When does your daylight savings finish?
Jo (26:36.098)
I think it's this weekend actually, might be next weekend.
Kirsten (26:38.342)
Because ours is two weeks from, like it's a week after Easter for us, isn't it? I think. Yeah. Seventh.
zoey @opmove (26:40.844)
Yeah.
Jo (26:42.231)
Yes.
Treacy (26:44.018)
I don't know.
zoey @opmove (26:45.424)
Yeah, but it's so...
Jo (26:45.962)
Yeah, so we'll get a reprieve for like a week or two and then it will still be really dark so doesn't really make much difference. Our days are so short here in the middle of winter, like I'll be driving the kids to school at Hapa Estate and the sun's only just starting to come up and then you know it's getting dark again by 5 30 6 o'clock so yeah that's all right.
Kirsten (26:50.036)
Mmm.
Kirsten (27:05.646)
BAM
Kirsten (27:13.739)
Lucky it's pretty though.
Jo (27:15.158)
Yeah, no, right. It snowed last night and the night before on the mountains, so... LAUGHS
Kirsten (27:20.077)
No.
zoey @opmove (27:20.925)
Oh my god.
Kirsten (27:24.654)
It's going to be hard when you get back out there. Because you haven't had that... No? Don't care? Just let me at it.
Jo (27:30.885)
No, because I've been like riding my bike to the gym early in the morning and things like that. So I'm still out there in the dark.
Kirsten (27:41.571)
Yeah, I know.
Fair enough. I'm gonna have to sign out ladies. I've gotta go to a meeting. So enjoy the rest of your chat. I'll talk to you later. Bye.
zoey @opmove (27:50.885)
I'm going to go to bed.
Jo (27:53.57)
Okay, see ya!
zoey @opmove (27:54.672)
Talk to you soon.
Treacy (27:55.103)
Bye.
Jo (28:01.98)
night.
Treacy (28:03.937)
I had to go hear a little mama.
Jo (28:04.366)
I'm going to go to bed.
zoey @opmove (28:07.868)
but she's just staying there, but she's all...
zoey @opmove (28:14.012)
All sorted, so have you still in school term, Joe, for now?
Treacy (28:14.782)
Thank you.
Jo (28:21.874)
Yeah, yeah, yeah. We've got another two weeks.
zoey @opmove (28:28.924)
Yeah, I get confused. Like now that I've only got one like action in like school could be sort of homeschooling stuff. I just get very disconnected from what is school. I'm like, I don't know. It's like.
Jo (28:43.982)
same.
Jo (28:47.859)
Yeah, no. I have to like go and check. Like, when are we? Oh.
zoey @opmove (28:52.06)
Oh, I think I've got some company. Oh, but it's locked. You can't come in.
Treacy (28:55.071)
Did you say mine?
Jo (29:00.71)
Why can't I come in?
zoey @opmove (29:04.463)
It's like as soon as cats are so funny, as soon as there's like a closed door, that's like...
This has been, this is my only mission for my entire life is to get into this space. And one of the kids always has the door closed and both of the cats are just outside that door, just like devastated at every possible moment. They're like, why? This is, and then occasionally they'll get fed in and then it just keeps building. Like how much they want to be in that room and that room alone. I'm like, I'm right here.
Treacy (29:17.252)
Yeah.
Jo (29:28.341)
Just waiting.
Treacy (29:29.988)
But let me in.
zoey @opmove (29:41.911)
hang out with them. I thought okay, you don't interest me.
Jo (29:46.432)
Well they might have something in there that they want like food.
zoey @opmove (29:51.449)
something they might want to scratch or eat or whatever. So yeah I think I did get um I did see in I thought that we could do um just going to check to see if there was any um thing that I saw in Run Club this
Jo (29:59.244)
yeah oh dear
zoey @opmove (30:19.928)
um this week or if it was something I heard on another um question that somebody had. Oh that's right I was just gonna um like when you are in sort of combining running and strength stuff how do you manage
Jo (30:48.747)
How do I manage domes?
zoey @opmove (30:50.348)
Yeah like I see so much um like particularly and mainly this is like on some of the more strength based podcasts that I listen to where they're like oh well I can't like run and deadlift because I'll be too sore from deadlifting and you know like you can't do both running and deadlifting or people saying I can't.
do heavy weights and running because then it will impact like my sessions at the gym which like yeah you might for like two weeks maybe I feel but my and but everyone is so different right like I've heard of people who like go out and race a half marathon and they're not sore meanwhile I'm like free falling to the toilet for the next week. So
Jo (31:37.313)
Hehe
Treacy (31:39.535)
I like sunnys.
zoey @opmove (31:42.596)
So for me, it's always been like one, it'll only be like really bad for like probably the first two weeks or if I do like lunges and lunges are always bad no matter what but if I do the run and if I warm up enough I don't really experience it impacting my speed at all. Like what do you find?
Jo (32:10.29)
So for me, doing endurance sort of stuff, a lot of the time, like I do speed work and everything as well, but for me, whenever I've got doms and I'm running, I see it as really good training because I'm gonna get to a point in my race where I'm hurting really hard and I'm gonna have to keep running anyway. So to me, it's just part of the training. So it like, it doesn't even factor in, in my mind.
as far as I'm concerned that I have doms or that I'm going to get doms. Yeah, I actually see it as a bonus sometimes for my training, because it's a real mental thing as far as I'm concerned. Like you said, it's not really impacting how I run or how fast I go. It's all mental.
Treacy (33:02.823)
Yeah, I know you didn't ask me, but I find this thing, okay. Sorry, it dropped out and I was speaking at the same time, which I always do. Did you ask me how I... Yeah, I've found since, because I've never really done both before, I've like been running or I've done gym. And since been doing...
zoey @opmove (33:02.894)
What about you Tracy? How do you go with it?
zoey @opmove (33:17.307)
Yeah!
Treacy (33:29.647)
them both, I find they really, really complement each other. Like, I think just the power I feel in my legs, it's so much better now. And obviously, that's why my hip, I can run without paining up because I've got all this glute strength and core stability build up and all that. And I find if I do a run straight after leg workout, it doesn't bother me so much.
Jo (33:46.635)
Thank you.
Treacy (33:59.391)
because I haven't, it hasn't all the acid or whatever. But even though anything I do whenever doms, as soon as I start moving, I can switch, I just don't notice it anyway. It's when you get up out of a chair or go to the toilet or something, that's when it bothers me. It's not when I'm working out, which is strange. The only time that it does is recently, he's got me now doing abductive work. And that is,
Jo (34:05.815)
Thank you.
Treacy (34:29.403)
I'm finding that a bit difficult, but still can move.
zoey @opmove (34:34.516)
Yeah, I do find that because I do a lot of running like straight after the gym. And it's not always like pure strength. Like sometimes we've got other things, but I tend to think that it probably improves the recovery because, you know, just getting the blood flowing and, you know, like I wouldn't necessarily want to do like I had a session last week, which was like.
Treacy (34:52.924)
Yeah, I reckon.
Jo (35:00.625)
Thank you.
zoey @opmove (35:02.932)
400 repeats and I wouldn't like to do that.
like directly after the gym because I think it just it's like sort of more fatigue than what I want for that particular session but if I was doing like steady state or like an easy run or even like something with like short hill sprints I'd be okay with that like after the gym and also have the benefit of the gym where the gym is just very flat so the most at home where
do this now or I could do it at home and there's going to be a significant amount of climbing on my path.
Treacy (35:37.239)
Yeah.
Jo (35:38.444)
Yeah
Jo (35:44.489)
Yeah.
Treacy (35:49.857)
Yeah. Yeah, but I think it's been so amazing. Like often you share things, Zoe, about like the people thinking they can't do one or the other or something. And it's just been, it's just been a real, like I just said before, it really complements it, I think. And even my trainer the other day said, oh, you're gonna go like, run, how do you feel in your legs? And I'm like, same as any other day. So, yeah.
Jo (36:14.198)
Thank you.
zoey @opmove (36:18.203)
Yeah, it is interesting, like I was listening to some people talk about specifics on their...
their weights like and their runners and it was like obviously I'm sort of like biased but it was so like I have so light in comparison to what like my expectation was like hearing that they're doing like eight deadlifts and they're doing like
zoey @opmove (36:49.552)
maybe, you know, 25, 30 kilos, you know, which would have been like my starting weight.
Jo (36:58.126)
Thank you.
Treacy (37:01.151)
Yeah, that's pretty much me. Yeah, like I'm hoping that I'm still low level. I would have, I thought you were going to say like 80 kilos or something, not 35.
Jo (37:01.226)
Yeah.
zoey @opmove (37:10.34)
Yeah, like I was just, I was like, oh wow, like that's really, like that's much more like an aerobic, like weight session than an actual like strength type. Yeah, and so like I think that a lot of times like we're probably actually doing, like I think a lot of times our perception of like what's average.
Jo (37:22.911)
Yeah, yeah that's not heavy. Yeah.
zoey @opmove (37:36.404)
is probably like a little bit skewed because I looked at that and I was like oh you know like and also what a difference it makes being able to.
like go and have somebody like show you something because I think a lot of that happens too when people don't have a trainer or a PT or anybody take them through and so they're too nervous about hurting themselves so they end up with this sort of like things that are below like what their capacity is whereas like now if I was doing like sort of like moderate like deadlifts that they're
at the gym would be more like body weight like if I was like I'd be doing you know sort of more like 60 kilos but if I'd never had anyone show me how to do that properly.
I wouldn't be doing like that kind of way. And I even know now, like when I my core is doing what it's supposed to do, like that weight will feel really light and I'll be like, oh, that's what it's supposed to feel like all the time.
Jo (38:33.942)
Yeah.
zoey @opmove (38:48.468)
Thanks for watching!
Treacy (38:49.072)
That's funny because before I started working out with my trainer, I was, and I've noticed a lot of people in the classes, they do a lot heavier than me often in like squats. That's the thing I have the biggest problem with. So they'll do squats, but they're not going anywhere as low as I'm going or being helped to go. So they kind of think they're doing heavy with me.
they're all doing heavy weights, but really they're only just going like that and stuff. So I often sometimes when I hear weight sizes too, think are they actually doing the job properly?
zoey @opmove (39:22.236)
Yeah.
zoey @opmove (39:30.22)
Yeah, yeah I know like you see that a bit like in some videos I've seen of like f45 where they're like 60 kilo squats but they're like they're more like quarter squats they're not like full squats and um and
Treacy (39:36.903)
Yeah.
Treacy (39:41.967)
Yeah.
zoey @opmove (39:48.304)
they've sort of like what they've taught me at the gym is like our goal is for you to be able to get up off the toilet when you're 80. So functional, the functional thing is less weight but full range of movement and so don't care if you have this like magic number in your head that you think is cool you know like want you to do this.
Jo (39:57.868)
Yep.
Treacy (39:58.671)
Michael, yeah, yeah.
Treacy (40:06.628)
That's right.
Jo (40:15.343)
Yep.
zoey @opmove (40:16.628)
often get me to do that because with the scoliosis at a certain way like I can get like my chest can drop a little bit more than it should so they'll be like take the weight off get your shoulders back make sure you can be like in a good like upright position.
and so yeah like it is it's so um and then yeah you're in there and you'll see like an 18 year old who's like overhead squatting like 100 kilos and you're like and that happens because this is crazy
Treacy (41:00.503)
Yeah, I know. I know. Yeah.
Yeah, but that's why I think we, you know, we're, I often look at the others and I feel bad at like, oh, I'm doing such a low weight or something. But, you know, it took me six months to do an RDL properly. And so, because it just takes me so long, because like, often you'll go, come on, you can do it. And I'm like, yeah, it's not that I, I'm not, I'm psyched, I'm part of me psyching myself up, but it's like,
I've got 20 things to process at once in this movement. Like I can't do it that quick. So yeah.
zoey @opmove (41:42.984)
particularly with those sort of like much more technical movements it's sort of like with something I mean a lot of things have more like technical components but
Treacy (41:47.219)
Whoa.
zoey @opmove (41:54.864)
you know, with something like if it's just like a shoulder press where your legs don't move, it's like it's either going up or it's not, you know, like it's like, you know, or like a push-up or something like that. Whereas like you have other things where, um, like there are so many things going on that you've got to think about in the, in the movement. And it's also really easy, like often like they'll say to me, like if I'm doing like a, um,
Treacy (41:59.528)
Yeah.
Yeah.
Treacy (42:15.59)
Yeah.
zoey @opmove (42:25.496)
uh like a snatch or something like that or uh they're like the bar's high enough you were just not confident enough to drop underneath it and i'm like i know but i can't stop it like knowing that and actually doing something different is yeah so but it is i think it is really good too in that you have when you're combining the two
Jo (42:37.566)
Hehe
Treacy (42:43.247)
Yeah.
zoey @opmove (42:50.544)
you have this whole other range of things that are improving that are completely disconnected like from running and so when running's like plateauing or you're injured or it's not quite you've got just like a whole other level of things to you know just focus on and it just does make it I think mentally a lot easier to have like more than like one
Jo (42:57.867)
Yeah.
zoey @opmove (43:17.288)
one thing to focus on so that you don't go completely bananas when there's like a leg injury of some kind or you know what whatever.
Jo (43:28.446)
Yep. 100%. Honestly, the gym has kept me sane, like, and being able to see my PT and keep know that I'm keeping progressing somewhere.
zoey @opmove (43:32.584)
I'm sorry.
Treacy (43:32.747)
Yeah.
Treacy (43:44.155)
Yeah, that's right. You're gonna, it's still gonna help. It's not as great as you would hope it would be, but you know, it's not going to be a waste.
zoey @opmove (43:44.765)
Yeah.
Jo (43:52.498)
Yeah exactly. I'm gonna have to jump off because it's actually my bedtime.
zoey @opmove (43:57.988)
Yes, getting a bit late New Zealand. All right, well, thanks so much for hanging out you two and we'll organize another time like in our message group and everything. But.
Treacy (44:09.703)
Yeah, I'll remind me to get my computer out.
zoey @opmove (44:15.985)
But yeah, have a great sleep now. That's like a good sleep. And yeah, we'll chat again soon. See ya.
Jo (44:21.918)
Oh, I will.
Jo (44:27.366)
Lovely to touch you. See ya!
Treacy (44:29.203)
See you.
