We’re also lucky enough to have a superhero in our family.  She doesn’t wear a cape. She doesn’t have a fancy costume.  But she does have more strength than Superman.  Words by Bert LaBonté and Original Music Composition by Gillian Cosgriff. Sound Design by Nat Grant Produced by Tinderbox Productions for The Twelve For episode Transcripts click here – http://tinderboxproductions.com.au/In-All-Honesty.html SUPPORT NOTES –  For pregnancy loss support call or visit  STILLBIRTH FOUNDATION AUSTRALIA https://stillbirthfoundation.org.au/ Stillbirth Foundation Australia provides resources for parents, but also for family friends and colleagues unsure how to support their loved ones.  SANDS on 1300 072 637 & www.sands.org.au  Sands is a volunteer-based organisation providing individualised care from one bereaved parent to another, giving them support and hope for the future, following the death of a baby.  RED NOSE Grief & Loss 1300 308 307 & https://rednosegriefandloss.org.au/ Provides 24-hour support for grieving parents and families who have experienced the death of a baby during pregnancy, birth, infancy or childhood, regardless of cause. Red Nose also has professional counselling, support groups and resources available via website PINK ELEPHANTS https://www.pinkelephants.org.au/ Provides information and support for women through miscarriage, pregnancy loss and beyond. The group supports women through their grief, nurtures them as they heal and empower them as they move into the future.  There are a number of resources available in their website including useful information about miscarriage stages and support services. For antenatal and postnatal support call or visit  PERINATAL ANXIETY & DEPRESSION Australia – 1300 726 306 & https://www.panda.org.au/ PANDA provides free telephone support counselling and information on antenatal and postnatal depression. For additional support links visit  CENTRE OF PERINATAL EXCELLENCE (COPE) - https://www.cope.org.au/getting-help/self-help/types-treatment/ PREGNANCY LOSS AUSTRALIA - https://www.pregnancylossaustralia.org.au/ For mental health support and resources call  LIFELINE - 13 11 14  BEYOND BLUE - 1300 22 4636 For men looking for assistance with relationship problems as a result of pregnancy loss MENSLINE AUSTRALIA 1300 78 99 78 Professional telephone and online support, information and referral service for men See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

I can unequivocally say that Oliver is one of the most passionate, um, empathetic, brilliant human beings, uh I know.  Don’t get me wrong, he can be a, he can be a sixteen and a half year old uh, and  drive you crazy… But here, is his first letter.  “To Meg. I don’t really know how to start…” Words by Bert LaBonté and Original Music Composition by Gillian Cosgriff. Sound Design by Nat Grant Produced by Tinderbox Productions for The Twelve For episode Transcripts click here – http://tinderboxproductions.com.au/In-All-Honesty.html SUPPORT NOTES –  For pregnancy loss support call or visit  STILLBIRTH FOUNDATION AUSTRALIA https://stillbirthfoundation.org.au/ Stillbirth Foundation Australia provides resources for parents, but also for family friends and colleagues unsure how to support their loved ones.  SANDS on 1300 072 637 & www.sands.org.au  Sands is a volunteer-based organisation providing individualised care from one bereaved parent to another, giving them support and hope for the future, following the death of a baby.  RED NOSE Grief & Loss 1300 308 307 & https://rednosegriefandloss.org.au/ Provides 24-hour support for grieving parents and families who have experienced the death of a baby during pregnancy, birth, infancy or childhood, regardless of cause. Red Nose also has professional counselling, support groups and resources available via website PINK ELEPHANTS https://www.pinkelephants.org.au/ Provides information and support for women through miscarriage, pregnancy loss and beyond. The group supports women through their grief, nurtures them as they heal and empower them as they move into the future.  There are a number of resources available in their website including useful information about miscarriage stages and support services. For antenatal and postnatal support call or visit  PERINATAL ANXIETY & DEPRESSION Australia – 1300 726 306 & https://www.panda.org.au/ PANDA provides free telephone support counselling and information on antenatal and postnatal depression. For additional support links visit  CENTRE OF PERINATAL EXCELLENCE (COPE) - https://www.cope.org.au/getting-help/self-help/types-treatment/ PREGNANCY LOSS AUSTRALIA - https://www.pregnancylossaustralia.org.au/ For mental health support and resources call  LIFELINE - 13 11 14  BEYOND BLUE - 1300 22 4636 For men looking for assistance with relationship problems as a result of pregnancy loss MENSLINE AUSTRALIA 1300 78 99 78 Professional telephone and online support, information and referral service for men See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

“I didn’t think, for a moment, I didn’t think, he’d have the understanding of what that was, to want to know his little sister.  Um, his big sister I should say. His older sister, um.  And I, I guess again kids’ll surprise you, they don’t – they seem to understand the other side or whatever it is, whatever you wanna believe, better than us.”  Words by Bert LaBonté and Original Music Composition by Gillian Cosgriff. Sound Design by Nat Grant Produced by Tinderbox Productions for The Twelve For episode Transcripts click here – http://tinderboxproductions.com.au/In-All-Honesty.html SUPPORT NOTES   For pregnancy loss support call or visit  STILLBIRTH FOUNDATION AUSTRALIA https://stillbirthfoundation.org.au/ Stillbirth Foundation Australia provides resources for parents, but also for family friends and colleagues unsure how to support their loved ones.  SANDS on 1300 072 637 & www.sands.org.au  Sands is a volunteer-based organisation providing individualised care from one bereaved parent to another, giving them support and hope for the future, following the death of a baby.  RED NOSE Grief & Loss 1300 308 307 & https://rednosegriefandloss.org.au/ Provides 24-hour support for grieving parents and families who have experienced the death of a baby during pregnancy, birth, infancy or childhood, regardless of cause. Red Nose also has professional counselling, support groups and resources available via the website PINK ELEPHANTS https://www.pinkelephants.org.au/ Provides information and support for women through miscarriage, pregnancy loss and beyond. The group supports women through their grief, nurtures them as they heal and empower them as they move into the future.  There are a number of resources available on their website including useful information about miscarriage stages and support services. For antenatal and postnatal support call or visit  PERINATAL ANXIETY & DEPRESSION Australia – 1300 726 306 & https://www.panda.org.au/ PANDA provides free telephone support counselling and information on antenatal and postnatal depression. For additional support links visit  CENTRE OF PERINATAL EXCELLENCE (COPE) - https://www.cope.org.au/getting-help/self-help/types-treatment/ PREGNANCY LOSS AUSTRALIA - https://www.pregnancylossaustralia.org.au/ For mental health support and resources call  LIFELINE - 13 11 14  BEYOND BLUE - 1300 22 4636 For men looking for assistance with relationship problems as a result of pregnancy loss MENSLINE AUSTRALIA 1300 78 99 78 Professional telephone and online support, information and referral service for men See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

“...it’s like someone’s got a foot on your heart and they’re just pressing this and you keep thinking surely that, that’s the last of it, surely that’s the last of that kind of pain. Surely that has to stop eventually…" Words by Bert LaBonté and Original Music Composition by Gillian Cosgriff. Sound Design by Nat Grant Produced by Tinderbox Productions for The Twelve For episode Transcripts click here – http://tinderboxproductions.com.au/In-All-Honesty.html SUPPORT NOTES –  For pregnancy loss support call or visit  STILLBIRTH FOUNDATION AUSTRALIA https://stillbirthfoundation.org.au/ Stillbirth Foundation Australia provides resources for parents, but also for family friends and colleagues unsure how to support their loved ones.  SANDS on 1300 072 637 & www.sands.org.au  Sands is a volunteer-based organisation providing individualised care from one bereaved parent to another, giving them support and hope for the future, following the death of a baby.  RED NOSE Grief & Loss 1300 308 307 & https://rednosegriefandloss.org.au/ Provides 24-hour support for grieving parents and families who have experienced the death of a baby during pregnancy, birth, infancy or childhood, regardless of cause. Red Nose also has professional counselling, support groups and resources available via website PINK ELEPHANTS https://www.pinkelephants.org.au/ Provides information and support for women through miscarriage, pregnancy loss and beyond. The group supports women through their grief, nurtures them as they heal and empower them as they move into the future.  There are a number of resources available in their website including useful information about miscarriage stages and support services. For antenatal and postnatal support call or visit  PERINATAL ANXIETY & DEPRESSION Australia – 1300 726 306 & https://www.panda.org.au/ PANDA provides free telephone support counselling and information on antenatal and postnatal depression. For additional support links visit  CENTRE OF PERINATAL EXCELLENCE (COPE) - https://www.cope.org.au/getting-help/self-help/types-treatment/ PREGNANCY LOSS AUSTRALIA - https://www.pregnancylossaustralia.org.au/ For mental health support and resources call  LIFELINE - 13 11 14  BEYOND BLUE - 1300 22 4636 For men looking for assistance with relationship problems as a result of pregnancy loss MENSLINE AUSTRALIA 1300 78 99 78 Professional telephone and online support, information and referral service for men See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

There’s a balance to how it all works out. We’re not prepared for this shit ever… when it comes. I guess that’s what makes us human.   But I just remember… they say a piece of you goes when someone goes in your life that means a lot to you. Now, I never knew my daughter. I knew her for two days. And for those two days she was deceased. But… we formed a bond. Like, it was real and I know she’s looking after us. I know she is. And maybe that’s just what gets me by. Words by Bert LaBonté and Original Music Composition by Gillian Cosgriff. Sound Design by Nat Grant Produced by Tinderbox Productions for The Twelve For episode Transcripts click here – http://tinderboxproductions.com.au/In-All- Honesty.html SUPPORT NOTES – For pregnancy loss support call or visit - STILLBIRTH FOUNDATION AUSTRALIA https://stillbirthfoundation.org.au/ Stillbirth Foundation Australia provides resources for parents, but also for family friends and colleagues unsure how to support their loved ones. - SANDS on 1300 072 637 & www.sands.org.au Sands is a volunteer-based organisation providing individualised care from one bereaved parent to another, giving them support and hope for the future, following the death of a baby. - RED NOSE Grief & Loss 1300 308 307 & https://rednosegriefandloss.org.au/ Provides 24-hour support for grieving parents and families who have experienced the death of a baby during pregnancy, birth, infancy or childhood, regardless of cause. Red Nose also has professional counselling, support groups and resources available via website - PINK ELEPHANTS https://www.pinkelephants.org.au/ Provides information and support for women through miscarriage, pregnancy loss and beyond. The group supports women through their grief, nurtures them as they heal and empower them as they move into the future.  There are a number of resources available in their website including useful information about miscarriage stages and support services. For antenatal and postnatal support call or visit - PERINATAL ANXIETY & DEPRESSION Australia – 1300 726 306 & https://www.panda.org.au/ PANDA provides free telephone support counselling and information on antenatal and postnatal depression. For additional support links visit - CENTRE OF PERINATAL EXCELLENCE (COPE) - https://www.cope.org.au/getting-help/self-help/types-treatment/ - PREGNANCY LOSS AUSTRALIA - https://www.pregnancylossaustralia.org.au/ For mental health support and resources call - LIFELINE - 13 11 14 - BEYOND BLUE - 1300 22 4636 For men looking for assistance with relationship problems as a result of pregnancy loss - MENSLINE AUSTRALIA 1300 78 99 78 Professional telephone and online support, information and referral service for men See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

And I remember just holding… this… tiny little girl in my hands. Her lips were fully, like, fully formed… they looked exactly like… Olly’s lips. And she had big feet, I remember she had - well y’know, big feet for her body - um… and I looked up and I… I was very emotional. I was… I was weeping - quite - profusely. And I lay with my daughter. And I… there was no way I was going home. There was no way I was leaving. Words by Bert LaBonté and Original Music Composition by Gillian Cosgriff. Sound Design by Nat Grant Produced by Tinderbox Productions for The TwelveFor episode Transcripts click here – http://tinderboxproductions.com.au/In-All-Honesty.html SUPPORT NOTES – For pregnancy loss support call or visit - STILLBIRTH FOUNDATION AUSTRALIA https://stillbirthfoundation.org.au/ Stillbirth Foundation Australia provides resources for parents, but also for family friends and colleagues unsure how to support their loved ones. - SANDS on 1300 072 637 & www.sands.org.au Sands is a volunteer-based organisation providing individualised care from one bereaved parent to another, giving them support and hope for the future, following the death of a baby. - RED NOSE Grief & Loss 1300 308 307 & https://rednosegriefandloss.org.au/ Provides 24-hour support for grieving parents and families who have experienced the death of a baby during pregnancy, birth, infancy or childhood, regardless of cause. Red Nose also has professional counselling, support groups and resources available via website - PINK ELEPHANTS https://www.pinkelephants.org.au/ Provides information and support for women through miscarriage, pregnancy loss and beyond. The group supports women through their grief, nurtures them as they heal and empower them as they move into the future.  There are a number of resources available in their website including useful information about miscarriage stages and support services. For antenatal and postnatal support call or visit - PERINATAL ANXIETY & DEPRESSION Australia – 1300 726 306 & https://www.panda.org.au/ PANDA provides free telephone support counselling and information on antenatal and postnatal depression. For additional support links visit - CENTRE OF PERINATAL EXCELLENCE (COPE) - https://www.cope.org.au/getting-help/self-help/types-treatment/ - PREGNANCY LOSS AUSTRALIA - https://www.pregnancylossaustralia.org.au/ For mental health support and resources call - LIFELINE - 13 11 14 - BEYOND BLUE - 1300 22 4636 For men looking for assistance with relationship problems as a result of pregnancy loss - MENSLINE AUSTRALIA 1300 78 99 78 Professional telephone and online support, information and referral service for men See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Every morning at 7.30am, Olly comes into his parents’ room. Like clockwork on the dot. He lifted up his mum’s shirt, gave her belly a kiss and said “bye bye baby… see you” A reminder that even in their darkest hour - “Olly needed us to be strong and keep going..for him.” Words by Bert LaBonté and Original Music Composition by Gillian Cosgriff. Sound Design by Nat Grant  Produced by Tinderbox Productions for The Twelve For episode Transcripts click here - http://tinderboxproductions.com.au/In-All-Honesty.html SUPPORT NOTES   For pregnancy loss support call or visit  STILLBIRTH FOUNDATION AUSTRALIA https://stillbirthfoundation.org.au/ Stillbirth Foundation Australia provides resources for parents, but also for family friends and colleagues unsure how to support their loved ones.  SANDS on 1300 072 637 & www.sands.org.au Sands is a volunteer-based organisation providing individualised care from one bereaved parent to another, giving them support and hope for the future, following the death of a baby.  RED NOSE Grief & Loss 1300 308 307 & https://rednosegriefandloss.org.au/ Provides 24-hour support for grieving parents and families who have experienced the death of a baby during pregnancy, birth, infancy or childhood, regardless of cause. Red Nose also has professional counselling, support groups and resources available via website PINK ELEPHANTS https://www.pinkelephants.org.au/ Provides information and support for women through miscarriage, pregnancy loss and beyond. The group supports women through their grief, nurtures them as they heal and empower them as they move into the future.  There are a number of resources available in their website including useful information about miscarriage stages and support services. For antenatal and postnatal support call or visit  PERINATAL ANXIETY & DEPRESSION Australia – 1300 726 306 & https://www.panda.org.au/ PANDA provides free telephone support counselling and information on antenatal and postnatal depression. For additional support links visit  CENTRE OF PERINATAL EXCELLENCE (COPE) - https://www.cope.org.au/getting-help/self-help/types-treatment/ PREGNANCY LOSS AUSTRALIA - https://www.pregnancylossaustralia.org.au/ For mental health support and resources call  LIFELINE - 13 11 14  BEYOND BLUE - 1300 22 4636 For men looking for assistance with relationship problems as a result of pregnancy loss MENSLINE AUSTRALIA 1300 78 99 78 Professional telephone and online support, information and referral service for men See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Almost fourteen years ago, Amanda and Bert had a little girl, named Meg. Meg was stillborn. Then, for almost fourteen years following - Every time Bert mowed the lawns, it rained soon after. Episode one of IN ALL HONESTY introduces us to a family, and how even the greatest heartbreak can lead to a little magic.   Words by Bert LaBonté and Original Music Composition by Gillian Cosgriff. Sound Design by Nat Grant  Produced by Tinderbox Productions for The Twelve For episode Transcripts click here - http://tinderboxproductions.com.au/In-All-Honesty.html SUPPORT NOTES  For pregnancy loss support call or visit  STILLBIRTH FOUNDATION AUSTRALIA https://stillbirthfoundation.org.au/ Stillbirth Foundation Australia provides resources for parents, but also for family friends and colleagues unsure how to support their loved ones.  SANDS on 1300 072 637 & www.sands.org.au  Sands is a volunteer-based organisation providing individualised care from one bereaved parent to another, giving them support and hope for the future, following the death of a baby.  RED NOSE Grief & Loss 1300 308 307 & https://rednosegriefandloss.org.au/ Provides 24-hour support for grieving parents and families who have experienced the death of a baby during pregnancy, birth, infancy or childhood, regardless of cause. Red Nose also has professional counselling, support groups and resources available via website PINK ELEPHANTS https://www.pinkelephants.org.au/ Provides information and support for women through miscarriage, pregnancy loss and beyond. The group supports women through their grief, nurtures them as they heal and empower them as they move into the future.  There are a number of resources available in their website including useful information about miscarriage stages and support services. For antenatal and postnatal support call or visit  PERINATAL ANXIETY & DEPRESSION Australia – 1300 726 306 & https://www.panda.org.au/ PANDA provides free telephone support counselling and information on antenatal and postnatal depression. For additional support links visit  CENTRE OF PERINATAL EXCELLENCE (COPE) - https://www.cope.org.au/getting-help/self-help/types-treatment/ PREGNANCY LOSS AUSTRALIA - https://www.pregnancylossaustralia.org.au/ For mental health support and resources call  LIFELINE - 13 11 14  BEYOND BLUE - 1300 22 4636 For men looking for assistance with relationship problems as a result of pregnancy loss MENSLINE AUSTRALIA 1300 78 99 78 Professional telephone and online support, information and referral service for men See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.