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How To Be Sad with Helen Russell

Season 3 #3 Ingrid Fetell Lee


Many of us these days are getting the memo that a meaningful, fulfilled life comes only from letting go of our attachments to worldly things, but my guest today has other ideas. Ingrid Fetell Lee is a designer and writer whose spent ten years studying the relationship between design and joy. The author of Joyful, and the blog, Aesthetics of Joy, Ingrid argues that a few moments of joy can lift us and help us to be sad, well. She says: “I don’t need to be happy to feel joy…I don’t have to worry about making everything awesome in my life.”

Here, we talk about out:

  • how many of us find joy in the material world
  • why colour, bubbles and tree houses matter
  • risk and the vulnerability in pursuing joy
  • how many of the aesthetics of joy have been traditionally viewed as ‘feminine’ – which does all of us a disservice
  • diversity in aesthetics
Find out more about Ingrid at aestheticsofjoy.com, follow her @ingridfetell on Twitter or @ingridfetell on InstagramFollow Helen on Twitter, Instagram or Facebook @MsHelenRussell Read more about Helen’s new book, How To Be Sad (Waterstones , Amazon UK or anywhere you like to buy books) Get in touch with the show at howtobesadpodcast@gmail.comAnd as ever, BIG thanks to Joel Grove for production and to Matt Clacher at HarperCollins for making this podcast happen.


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by Helen Russell