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How To Be Sad with Helen Russell

Season 3 #4 Alex Soojung-Kim Pang


“We all learn the value of rest the hard way,” says today’s guest - a former Silicon Valley tech consultant, visiting scholar at Stanford, and author of Rest: Why You Get More Done When You Work Less. Alex Soojung-Kim Pang argues that the perils of overwork are being woefully overlooked, and they’re making us miserable. He says: ”We’re hitting the wire now - it’s crazy to think how much more work we do than our parents or grandparents did.” In his latest book, Shorter, he also makes a powerful case for the four day week. Since to be sad, well – and live a full life – we need time for reflection. So here, we set the record straight on rest and the dangers of overwork.

We talk about:

  • the problems of overwork (and how it makes us ‘bad’ sad)
  • the cult of busyness
  • the truth about the 10,000 hours rule (as feat. in Malcom Gladwell’s Outliers)
  • the pressure to be happy at work
  • how we get more done when we work less
  • boundaries and how to set them
  • why dogs, books and dads help
Find out more about Alex @askpang on Twitter and Instagram and read Rest and Shorter (they’re great!). Follow Helen on Twitter, Instagram or Facebook @MsHelenRussell Read more about Helen’s new book, How To Be Sad (Waterstones , Amazon UK or anywhere you like to buy books) Get in touch with the show at howtobesadpodcast@gmail.comAnd as ever, BIG thanks to Joel Grove for production and to Matt Clacher at HarperCollins for making this podcast happen.