Science of Reading: The Podcast

Summer '22 Rewind: Research, comprehension, and content-rich literacy instruction: Sonia Cabell

Join Sonia Cabell, associate professor at the School of Teacher Education at Florida State University, as she shares findings from her research trials on content-rich literacy curricula and discusses whether activating students’ background knowledge alongside explicit phonics instruction is more effective than the traditional approaches. She also describes what constitutes “compelling evidence” in the Science of Reading and explains why students need to interact with both written and spoken language while learning to read. Show notes: Florida Center for Reading Research Core Knowledge Language Arts Writing Into Literacy TEDx Talk by Sonia Cabell National Reading Panel Report 2000 EdWeek Science of Reading article by Sonia Cabell Special Issue: The Science of Reading: Supports, Critiques, and Questions Live with the Author interview The Power of Conversations: Building Primary Grade Students’ Vocabulary and Comprehension in a Changing Educational Landscape by Sonia Cabell Twitter: @SoniaCabell Quotes: “The knowledge that you have about a particular subject matters for your reading comprehension.” —Sonia Cabell “When I think about content-rich English Language Arts, I think about how we can integrate science and social studies into the language arts in ways that make sense.” —Sonia Cabell

July 27, 2022

52 min

Summer '22 Rewind: The symbiotic relationship between literacy and science with Jacquey Barber

Jacquey Barber, director emerita of The Learning Design Group at UC Berkeley's Lawrence Hall of Science , joins the podcast to discuss her research on the symbiotic relationship between literacy and science, as well as what educators should be looking for in high-quality, literacy-rich science curricula. She also goes into strategies for engaging students, including the do, talk, read, write model, then ends the episode by highlighting the many ways science supports reading. Show notes: UCLA CRESST The Knowledge Gap: The Hidden Cause of America's Broken Education System—and How to Fix It by Natalie Wexler No More Science Kits or Texts in Isolation by Jacqueline Barber and Gina Cervetti. Podcast Discussion Guide Quotes: “Literacy is a domain in search of content; science is a domain in need of communication.” —Jacquey Barber “Develop opportunities for students to learn to read, write, and talk like scientists do.” —Jacquey Barber

July 13, 2022

45 min

S5-E10: Training the next generation of Science of Reading educators with Dr. Amy Murdoch

Dr. Amy Murdoch is the assistant dean of Reading Science in the School of Education at Mount St. Joseph University. She received her doctorate in school psychology with an emphasis in early literacy from the University of Cincinnati. In this episode, she chats with Susan Lambert about creating prominent graduate and doctoral programs in the Science of Reading, and the responsibility of training the next generation of early literacy educators. She discusses how she has seen Science of Reading interest escalate, shares her hopes for the future of reading science in schools, and offers advice for those who are new to the Science of Reading and/or exploring an advanced degree rooted in reading science. Show notes: Beginning to Read by Marilyn Adams Meaningful Differences in the Everyday Experience of Young American Children by Betty Hart and Todd R. Risley Project Ready! An Early Language and Literacy Program to Close the Readiness Gap - Research article Mount St. Joseph University Reading Science Program Center for Reading Science Quotes: "Don't do it alone, try to find community and find people you can, you know, your trusted colleagues that you can bounce ideas off of and grow your learning." —Dr. Amy Murdoch "Sometimes things are not completely clear and we need to collect more evidence in data and we do the best we can until we kind of refine a practice that we're trying to figure out, especially for children who really have significant struggles with reading." —Dr. Amy Murdoch "We're all working towards the same goal of helping all children enter the world of reading successfully and continue that path of reading successfully." —Dr. Amy Murdoch

June 29, 2022

43 min

S5-E9: Making every day a "wins day" with Grammy-winning educator Mickey Smith Jr.

Mickey Smith Jr. is an acclaimed Louisiana educator, author, saxophonist, and self-described "solutionist" who feels a strong calling to help educators and teachers. Mickey, who received the Grammy Music Educator Award in 2020, brings his motivational blend of music and message to this very special episode in which he and Susan Lambert discuss music, perseverance, and finding purpose as educators and human beings. In between interludes of uplifting songs and stories, Mickey shares his proven principles for helping educators create sound connections and culture in today's classrooms. He also describes his methods for providing all-purpose encouragement and offers a tangible approach to finding one's own personal mission statements—or, as he likes to call it, our legacy song. Show notes: Mickey Smith Jr. - Website See the Sound - Podcast The Keep Going Tour Quotes: “I want to share some of the things that helped me to keep going, so that someone else won’t miss their next and best steps.” —Mickey Smith Jr. “I believe we all have a sound. I think our success comes, number one, from the promises we make and keep with ourselves, but also the authenticity we live out that sound with.” —Mickey Smith Jr. “If we all have a sound, ultimately I think our goal should be to create a legacy song.” —Mickey Smith Jr. “The sound I’m talking about is not the audible but the internal. It’s that thing that leaves an effect with folks beyond what you just teach them. It’s how you reach them.” —Mickey Smith Jr.

June 15, 2022

45 min

S5-E8: Linguistic structure: English vs. Spanish: Dr. Desirée Pallais-Downing

Dr. Desirée Pallais-Downing is an assistant professor of instruction in the Bilingual/Bicultural Education Program at the University of Texas at Austin. Having lived in Nicaragua, England, the United States, and Spain, she has experienced bilingual learning across four different countries. In this episode, she differentiates between sequential and simultaneous bilingualism, and the importance of assessment in the home and second languages before diving deep into the linguistic structures of Spanish vs. English. She also offers advice for non-Spanish speakers on the best ways to support Spanish speakers. Show notes: Dr. Desirée Pallais-Downing - Website Quotes: "The way we position students in our classrooms can open or close opportunities for them to shine. When we bring in their knowledge and cultural experiences, we open more opportunities for them to be successful." - Dr. Desirée Pallais-Downing "There's very strong research on how language and literacy skills are transferable from Spanish to English, and that transfer from Spanish to English is not automatic." - Dr. Desirée Pallais-Downing

June 1, 2022

43 min

S5-E7: Unlocking change through literacy legislation: Dr. Kymyona Burk

Dr. Kymyona Burk is Policy Director for Early Literacy at the Foundation for Excellence in Education (ExcelinEd). In this role, she supports states pursuing a comprehensive approach to K–3 reading policy. She joins host Susan Lambert to give listeners a look behind the curtain of the legislative process creating education policy, including writing and passing literacy legislation, the politics of advocating for the Science of Reading within legislation, and what the results look like for states that have this legislation in place. Show notes: ExcelinEd profile page The Perfect Storm: Mississippi’s Momentum for Improving Reading Achievement - The Reading League Journal Amplify’s Virtual Symposium 2022 - Celebrating Biliteracy: Realizing a Better Future for Our Spanish Speakers Quotes: “A literacy law is an equity law … there has to be some type of consistent language around what effective reading instruction looks like in classrooms.” — Dr. Kymyona Burk

May 18, 2022

50 min

S5-E6: Why skepticism is essential to the Science of Reading, with Dr. Claude Goldenberg

Claude Goldenberg joined the podcast to introduce what he argues is much-needed skepticism to the conversation of reading science. Goldenberg mentions that while the Science of Reading may be the latest buzzword, reading science is here to stay and, like any other science, will only grow stronger alongside informed critique. He later talks about the foundational skills and what the movement can learn from the failings of Reading First; offers advice for implementation; and ends with a hopeful note, highlighting that all educators can come together around a shared mission to see students succeed. Show notes: Quote: “If we listen, if we communicate clearly, if we pay attention, giving people the benefit of the doubt that what they want is for all kids [to succeed], I think we can move forward.” — Dr. Claude Goldenberg Lessons Learned? Reading Wars, Reading First, and a Way Forward by Margaret Goldberg and Claude Goldenberg Reading Wars, Reading Science, and English Learners by Claude Goldenberg Amplify’s Virtual Symposium 2022 - Celebrating Biliteracy: Realizing a Better Future for Our Spanish Speakers Teaching All Students to Read: Practices from Reading First Schools With Strong Intervention Outcomes by Elizabeth Crawford & Joseph Torgesen Catch Them Before They Fall by Joseph K. Torgesen

May 4, 2022

68 min

S5-E5: Implementing Multi-Tiered Systems of Support with Dr. Brittney Bills

Susan Lambert is joined by Dr. Brittney Bills, educator and recent Science of Reading Star Award Winner to discuss MTSS. Dr. Bills began her journey as a school psychologist for six years before transitioning to the role of curriculum coordinator at Grand Island Public Schools. In this episode, Dr. Bills explains what MTSS is and how it centers on prevention rather than intervention. She talks about the intersection of universal screening data and MTSS and provides advice on evidence-based strategies and techniques to make a positive impact in your classroom. Using examples from her own district, Dr. Bills discusses avoiding burnout, learning to use data, and the process of ongoing improvement. Show notes: Learn more about the Science of Reading for English learners at Celebrating Biliteracy: Realizing a Better Future for Our Spanish Speakers. Register here!

April 20, 2022

56 min

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