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The Ukrainians desperate to avoid the draft

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In an interview over the weekend, President Zelensky announced a major shake up in the Ukrainian army. It comes after a week-long battle between Zelensky and his top general. So after all of this internal disarray – how is the war seen right now by Ukrainians? Anthony Loyd returns from another trip to the country, where he embedded with brigades and met the men desperate to avoid conscription.

This episode contains frank descriptions of warfare.

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Guest: Anthony Loyd, Special Correspondent, The Times.

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