In his new book The Secret of Culture Change: How To Build Authentic Stories That Transform Your Organization, Jay Bryan Barney discusses why changing company culture is sometimes necessary but always challenging—and how the power of stories can help leaders mobilize their employees around a new strategy. Jay Barney, a professor of strategic management and the Pierre Lassonde Chair of Social Entrepreneurship at the University of Utah’s David Eccles School of Business, is one of the world’s leading strategists and the father of so-called resource-based competition. Together with Martin Reeves, Chairman of the BCG Henderson Institute, Barney explores the connections between the realms of strategy and culture—discussing the power of stories to change culture and support a new strategy, and identifying the key characteristics of great stories and story-making, such as being authentic and putting the leader at the heart of the narrative. Key topics discussed:  01:10 | How do you define culture and why do we sometimes need to change it? 03:31 | What are some examples of successful culture change? 08:01 | What are the key characteristics of culture-changing stories? 16:33 | How do leaders navigate social/political “culture wars” in their own culture? 22:20 | Are stories and culture change something that can be shaped or are they emergent? 25:40 | How do stories and culture change apply to a business school setting? This podcast uses the following third-party services for analysis: Chartable - https://chartable.com/privacy

In The Geek Way: The Radical Mindset that Drives Extraordinary Results, Andrew McAfee describes how a new approach to corporate culture based on science, ownership, speed, and openness, is driving value creation in the 21st century. McAfee is an expert on how technological progress changes the world, being named to both the Thinkers50 list of top management thinkers and the Politico 50 group of people transforming American politics. In his new book, he outlines how the giants of Silicon Valley found success not just because they are at the center of the digital technology revolution, but also because they are revolutionizing the way business is done—what McAfee describes as the “geek way.”. Together with Martin Reeves, Chairman of BCG Henderson Institute, McAfee explores the core tenets of a corporate culture that embraces the “geek way” and explains why it works, drawing on insights from the science of cultural evolution. They also discuss how traditional, non-tech firms can embrace this new culture and operating system. Key topics discussed: 02:12 | What are the core tenets of the “geek way”? 08:55 | How could these tenets be applied to any businesses? 11:31 | How can we overcome the limitations of the “geek way” (e.g., negative corporate culture aspects, retaining culture as a firm grows)? 15:05 | Is the “geek way” unique to American firms? What can we learn from the Chinese tech sector? 17:46 | What is the role of strategy in a “geek way” company? 20:11 | How might the “geek way” culture change in the future, given new challenges (e.g., elevated costs of capital)? 23:01 | What are the first steps a CEO should take to establish the “geek way” in their firm? Additional inspirations from Andrew McAfee: More From Less: How we Finally Stopped Using Up The World - And What Happens Next (Simon & Schuster UK, 2019) Machine, Platform, Crowd: Harnessing Our Digital Future (Brilliance Audio, 2017) The Second Machine Age: Work, Progress, and Prosperity in a Time of Brilliant Technologies (Brilliance Audio, 2014) Race Against the Machine: How the Digital Revolution is Accelerating Innovation, Driving Productivity, and Irreversibly Transforming Employment and the Economy (Digital Frontier Press, 2012) This podcast uses the following third-party services for analysis: Chartable - https://chartable.com/privacy

In Head & Heart: The Art of Modern Leadership, Dr. Kirstin Ferguson provides a practical guide to balancing the rational and emotional components of leadership. Ferguson is an expert on leadership, an experienced leader in the private and public sectors, and a longtime advocate of gender equity. In her new book, she identifies the key attributes of a “head and heart” leader, providing people with the tools to reflect on and adapt their own approach to each situation. She combines vivid stories and extensive research to inspire her readers to become better, more authentic, modern leaders. Together with Martin Reeves, Chairman of BCG Henderson Institute, Ferguson discusses the evolution of leadership thinking, what makes a “head and heart” leader, and how leaders can improve their effectiveness and adaptability. They also reflect on how leadership, and particularly the “heart” attributes, will be more crucial than ever with the rise of AI in the workplace. Key topics discussed: 02:36 | How has thinking on leadership evolved? 06:05 | What are the attributes of a “head and heart” leader? 08:25 | How can you improve your “head and heart” leadership attributes? 18:24 | Are leaders aging, and is there a need to make space for younger talents? 20:05 | How might AI change the art of leadership? Additional inspirations from Dr. Kirstin Ferguson: Certain Uncertainty: Leading with Agility and Resilience in an Unpredictable World (Wiley, 2023) Women Kind: Unlocking the Power of Women Supporting Women (Murdoch Books, 2019) Got a Minute? (Weekly column, The Sydney Morning Herald) This podcast uses the following third-party services for analysis: Chartable - https://chartable.com/privacy

In How to Work with (Almost) Anyone, Michael Bungay Stanier outlines how to set up working relationships for the best chance of success—by following a process of thorough preparation, a keystone conversation, and regular maintenance. Bungay Stanier, founder of coaching firm Box of Crayons, is a world-renowned thought leader on coaching and author of the best-selling coaching book, The Coaching Habit. In his most recent book, he focuses on relationship-building, providing readers with processes and principles, as well as exercises and ample practical advice to sharpen their skills. Together with Martin Reeves, Chairman of the BCG Henderson Institute, Bungay Stanier discusses how to build the “best possible relationship” and how to maintain and repair it over time. Moreover, they assess how to create a corporate culture conducive to these relationships, and how to make these relationships work in a hybrid or remote setting. Key topics discussed: 01:22 | How to make difficult relationships more workable 03:39 | Definition of a “best possible relationship” and how to build it 05:54 | How to have a keystone conversation 12:26 | The impact of corporate culture and different personality types 15:44 | How to maintain and repair relationships 20:42 | The implications of hybrid and remote work 22:31 | How leaders can apply these lessons in their organizations This podcast uses the following third-party services for analysis: Chartable - https://chartable.com/privacy

In his new book, Big Bets: How Large-Scale Change Really Happens, Rajiv Shah, President of the Rockefeller Foundation recounts his experiences and lessons learned over decades of effecting large-scale social change. He shares how addressing humanity’s thorniest challenges requires a big bets mindset – pushing to solve, rather than merely improve, problems; and going for “big enough”, rather than settling for “good enough”. Prior to his current role, Shah was the Administrator of USAID and a Director at the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation. He successfully led many transformative change efforts around the globe – including advancing the immunization of children, fighting against hunger and energy poverty, and providing relief for humanitarian disasters. Together with Martin Reeves, Chairman of BCG Henderson Institute, Shah discusses insights from his new book, including a mindset he sees crucial to making change possible, the need for public-private partnerships, and the role of businesses in addressing social and environmental issues. The conversation also touches on the importance of continuous experimentation, the involvement of younger leaders in change projects, and the challenges of planning in complex and unpredictable situations. This podcast uses the following third-party services for analysis: Chartable - https://chartable.com/privacy

In his new book,  Mixed Signals: How Incentives Really Work,  Uri Gneezy explains why leaders often create incentives that are misaligned with their organization’s goals. Gneezy, the Epstein/Atkinson Chair in Management Leadership at UC San Diego’s Rady School of Management, is one of the world’s leading experts in behavioral economics, and his insights have become a staple in courses around the world. He teaches managers how to be incentive-smart—how to avoid mixed signals and design incentives that are simple, effective, and ethical. Together with Martin Reeves, Chairman of BCG Henderson Institute, Gneezy discusses how incentives work, and how we can apply them in the workplace to change habits and spark innovation—he explains why, counterintuitively, successful organizations and initiatives may actually have a greater need to examine their incentives than unsuccessful ones. Key topics discussed: 01:11 | How incentives send signals 02:08 | Incentives in the workplace 09:14 | Incentivizing innovation 12:29 | Understanding the use and limitation of incentives 18:22 | Changing habits This podcast uses the following third-party services for analysis: Chartable - https://chartable.com/privacy

In his new book, The Coming Wave: Technology, Power, and The Twenty-First Century’s Greatest Dilemma, Mustafa Suleyman discusses the new technologies that will transform society—chief among them AI and synthetic biology. Suleyman is a renowned thought leader on this topic, having co-founded Inflection AI and DeepMind, and having served as VP of AI product management and AI policy at Google. Together with Martin Reeves, Chairman of BCG Henderson Institute, Suleyman discusses the threats and opportunities posed by AI and synthetic biology, whether and how they will confer competitive advantage, and how governments and companies can collaborate to contain their negative effects while ensuring that society reaps their benefits. Key topics discussed: 01:28 | The threats of the coming wave of technologies 06:43 | A modern Turing Test for AI 10:14 | The competitive advantage conferred by AI 15:25 | The benefits and limitations of AI 18:34 | Containing the next wave of technologies 22:09 | Potential regulatory interventions 23:46 | Motivations for writing the book This podcast uses the following third-party services for analysis: Chartable - https://chartable.com/privacy

In her forthcoming book, Right Kind of Wrong: The Science of Failing Well, Amy Edmondson offers a new framework to think about, discuss, and practice failure wisely, using human fallibility as a tool for making ourselves and our organizations smarter. Amy Edmondson is the Novartis Professor of Leadership and Management at the Harvard Business School and the author of seven books, including The Fearless Organization, which has been translated into more than 15 languages. She was ranked number one on the 2021 Thinkers50 list, a ranking of the world’s most influential management thinkers. Together with Martin Reeves, Chairman of the BCG Henderson Institute, Edmondson discusses the distinctions that can help us separate good failure from bad, strategies to decrease the cost of learning, as well as practical actions for leaders to establish a culture where intelligent failure is predominant. Key topics discussed:  1:13 | The distinction between failing well and failing badly 9:36 | How to avoid the "illusion of knowing" and mistaking a mental model for a fact 12:02 | Institutional and leadership-level moves to create an environment where intelligent failure is predominant 18:27 | How to decrease the cost of learning 19:42 | Can AI help to analyze the potential for failure or identify learnable lessons and failure patterns? This podcast uses the following third-party services for analysis: Chartable - https://chartable.com/privacy

In The Perennials: The Megatrends Creating a Postgenerational Society, Mauro Guillén argues that the traditional, sequential model of life—childhood, education, career, and retirement—is being rendered obsolete. Guillén, a professor of management at the Wharton School of the University of Pennsylvania, is one of the world’s foremost experts on global megatrends. In his most recent book, he focuses on the combination of rapid technological progress, increasing life as well as health spans, and declining fertility rates—which, together, are creating a society in which arbitrary definitions of generations, based on chronological age, are no longer appropriate. Together with Martin Reeves, Chairman of BCG Henderson Institute, Guillén discusses the shortcomings of the sequential model of life and what the new, post-generational society will look like. He also highlights implications for businesses, which will need to adapt their marketing practices to changing patterns in consumption and harness the benefits of intergenerational collaboration in their workforces. Key topics discussed:  01:51 | The sequential model of life and its shortcomings 04:17 | The post-generational society and the trends creating it 07:31 | Implications for corporations 14:13 | How CEOs can prepare for a society of perennials 17:14 | Implications for academic institutions This podcast uses the following third-party services for analysis: Chartable - https://chartable.com/privacy

In his new book Power and Progress, Simon Johnson, along with his co-author Daron Acemoglu, challenges the techno-optimistic narrative that technological progress will automatically lead to shared prosperity. Johnson, a professor at the MIT Sloan School of Management, takes us through a millennium of technological progress to show how the gains from advancements such as the agricultural and early industrial revolutions tended to benefit a narrow segment of interests. While technology can enable the kind of equitable growth that is heralded by techno-optimists, this requires an environment that mitigates the natural power imbalance between workers and owners of technology through regulation, labor organizations, and an active civic society. As we stand on the brink of a new wave of innovation from AI, it’s critical that we learn from the history of economic progress to ensure that this time, the gains are shared broadly in society. In this episode of our Thinkers & Ideas podcast, Johnson joins BCG Henderson Institute Chairman Martin Reeves to discuss the incentives for corporate leaders to create technology directed at equitable growth, the potential impact of AI on society, and the effectiveness of government policies aimed at fostering shared prosperity. Key topics discussed:  01:19 | Motivation for the book 02:03 | Progress and shared prosperity 07:29 | Effectiveness of redistribution 09:43 | Directing innovation toward social good 16:42 | The impact of AI 20:39 | Role of corporate leaders and investors in directing technology This podcast uses the following third-party services for analysis: Chartable - https://chartable.com/privacy

In his new book, LOOK: How to Pay Attention in a Distracted World, Christian Madsbjerg explores the importance of observational skills. Drawing on various fields—science, philosophy, and the arts—as well as his personal experiences, Madsbjerg offers tools and insights to help us better pay attention and extract insights. Madsbjerg was co-founder and senior partner of consulting firm, ReD Associates and was previously a professor of applied humanities at the New School for Social Research in New York City. He works at the intersection of business and the humanities, guiding firms to develop powerful strategies anchored in human perception. Together with Martin Reeves, Chairman of BCG Henderson Institute, Madsbjerg discusses how we can learn to observe the world properly—letting go of oversimplifying assumptions and biases—and how this will help firms unlock insights about their customers far beyond the reach of traditional market research. Key topics discussed:  [01:25] How to observe properly [06:57] How “total observation” can unlock new insights [13:14] Distractions of modern life and how to tackle them [18:14] Difference between traditional market research and “total observation” [21:30] How to change how we observe things in the corporate context This podcast uses the following third-party services for analysis: Chartable - https://chartable.com/privacy

In his latest book, Magic Words: What to Say to Get Your Way, Jonah Berger breaks down the science of language. The right words can influence actions and happiness, and reveal insights about those who say or write them. Berger, an associate professor of marketing at the Wharton School, is an expert on change, social influence, and word-of-mouth communication. Together with Martin Reeves, Chairman of BCG Henderson Institute, Berger discusses how we can use the language of agency and identity to incite action, how to best balance concreteness and abstraction, and how to harness the power of emotions—drawing on decades of experimental research. He also speculates how large language models will change the production and deployment of language. The book is a broad and practical guide to how we can use language more effectively. Key topics discussed:  01:07 | The power of language and six types of magic words 03:57 | Leveraging the language of agency and identity to spark action 06:58 | Balancing concreteness and abstraction 10:53 | Harnessing the power of emotions 13:27 | Limitations of magic words and the importance of authenticity 17:41 | The role of ChatGPT and other large language models 21:00 | Using magic words in your personal and professional life This podcast uses the following third-party services for analysis: Chartable - https://chartable.com/privacy

In her new book The Case for Good Jobs, Zeynep Ton explains why creating good jobs, particularly for frontline workers, will help companies thrive. Ton, a professor at the MIT Sloan School of Management and president and co-founder of the Good Jobs Institute, has long been an advocate of investing in employees. Traditional bad jobs systems—characterized by low pay, high turnover, and poor operational execution—harm customer satisfaction and undermine a company’s ability to differentiate, innovate, and adapt. In a good jobs system, she explains, leaders unlock a virtuous cycle of employee engagement, which improves operational performance and will ultimately benefit employees, customers, and shareholders. Together with Martin Reeves, Chairman of the BCG Henderson Institute, Ton discusses various aspects of the good jobs system—how it works, how to implement it, how to measure the value of good jobs, and what good jobs mean in an age in which labor is under threat of substitution by AI. Key topics discussed:  01:06 | The business value of good jobs 03:54 | What makes the good jobs system work? 12:21 | Data and metrics 17:10 | AI and labor substitution 20:29 | Good jobs beyond the frontline 24:48 | How to implement the good jobs system This podcast uses the following third-party services for analysis: Chartable - https://chartable.com/privacy

In this special episode of the Thinkers & Ideas podcast, we invited Sir Partha Dasgupta and Simon Levin – co-authors of the forthcoming report "Economic Factors Underlying Biodiversity Loss" – and Georg Kell to discuss a topic often overlooked in sustainability discussions: biodiversity. They discuss gaps in our current thinking, a potential path forward, how to measure our progress along it – and the role corporations must play in all this. Sir Partha Dasgupta is the Frank Ramsey Professor Emeritus of Economics at the University of Cambridge. He is widely regarded as the world's most influential expert on development economics and ecological economics, and is the author of The Economics of Biodiversity: The Dasgupta Review (2021). Simon Levin is the James S. McDonnell Distinguished University Professor in Ecology and Evolutionary Biology at Princeton University and a recipient of the National Medal of Science, for his international leadership and critical contributions to environmental science and ecology. Georg Kell is the founding Executive Director of the United Nations Global Compact, the world’s largest voluntary corporate sustainability initiative, and Chairman of Arabesque Partners. Together with Martin Reeves, Chairman of the BCG Henderson Institute, they discuss the importance of ecosystem services to our well-being and the impacts of human activity on biodiversity. Moreover, they discuss inclusive wealth and other measures that can be used to change incentive structures and track our progress on sustainability issues. Finally, they point out what businesses and governments must do to increase awareness and engagement on biodiversity matters. Key topics discussed:  02:28 | How are humans impacting nature, specifically biodiversity? 04:08 | The distinction between natural goods and natural services 07:02 | Is biodiversity and the natural impact issue on the radar screens of business? 09:03 | Are we at a point of no return? How would we know if we are? 10:50 | Do we in fact look after biodiversity by looking after the climate? 12:42 | Inclusive wealth vs. GDP 18:18 | How can governments and companies begin to act on the problem of the encroachment on natural systems? 26:41 | What can we learn from our limited successes on massive collective action problems and how we might practically orchestrate this agenda? This podcast uses the following third-party services for analysis: Chartable - https://chartable.com/privacy

Bent Flyvbjerg has a sobering statistic to share: 99.5% of major projects fail to deliver their targeted results on time and on budget. His new book How Big Things Get Done, coauthored with Dan Gardner, explores this phenomenon—from infrastructure projects to major sporting events to corporate transformations. Flyvbjerg, the first BT Professor of Major Programme Management at Oxford’s Saïd Business School and VKR Professor of Major Program Management at the IT University of Copenhagen, is the world’s foremost expert on megaproject management—a subject on which he has published prolifically. He recently joined Martin Reeves, Chairman of the BCG Henderson Institute, to discuss the patterns and drivers of the failure of big projects, as well as potential solutions that can help executives overcome these dramatic odds. For example, cognitive biases, particularly at the C-suite level, cause leaders to act too spontaneously—when they would be better off acting fast only after first thinking slowly and deliberately. They explore not only conventional project success but also how the thinking can be applied more broadly – from personal projects to climate change. Key topics discussed:  01:16 | The Iron Law of megaprojects 04:03 | Patterns of failure 09:02 | Solutions (think slow but act fast, think from right to left, reference class forecasting) 17:28 | Continuous vs. episodic change 20:47 | Tackling climate change: a megaproject? 23:03 | Impact of technology 25:46 | Practical recommendations This podcast uses the following third-party services for analysis: Chartable - https://chartable.com/privacy

In a new book with longtime collaborator W. Chan Kim, Beyond Disruption, Renée Mauborgne describes an alternative path to pursue innovation and growth. Non-disruptive creation taps into a new market outside or beyond the boundaries of existing industries, to not only drive economic growth but also have a positive impact on society by avoiding the negative aspects of disruption, like job displacement. Together with Martin Reeves, Chairman of BCG Henderson Institute, Mauborgne discusses the rising importance of non-disruptive creation given increased sensitivity to the social impact of business. She explains the differences between non-disruptive creation, disruptive creation, and blue ocean strategy and provides tools for companies to identify and unlock non-disruptive opportunities. Mauborgne, a professor of strategy at INSEAD, is also the co-author of the influential Blue Ocean Strategy and has been recognized by Thinkers50 as one of the World’s Most Influential Management Thinkers. Key topics discussed:  00:53 | What is non-disruptive creation (NDC) 08:27 | How companies can identify and invent NDCs 16:01 | The role of disruptive creation 21:08 | Challenges and capabilities needed for NDC 23:53 | AI and NDC 26:22 | Renee on coining NDC This podcast uses the following third-party services for analysis: Chartable - https://chartable.com/privacy

A “microstress,” as defined by Rob Cross and Karen Dillon in their new book of the same name, is a small amount pressure from our everyday interactions that is hardly perceived in the moment. But when many microstesses pile up, they become debilitating. Cross, the Edward A. Madden Professor of Global Leadership at Babson College in Wellesley, Mass., has studied the underlying networks of effective organizations and the collaborative practices of high performers for more than 20 years. Dillon is a former editor of Harvard Business Review and the author of such books as How Will You Measure Your Life? and Competing Against Luck. Together with Martin Reeves, Chairman of BCG Henderson Institute, they discuss the microstresses that drain capacity, deplete emotional reserves, and challenge identity. Although these pressures are impossible to eliminate, there are strategies—building resilience, leading a healthy life, and finding purpose—that can mitigate the impact, enabling people to reshape their interpersonal interactions and live more satisfied lives. Company leaders, the authors argue, should also be aware of microstress triggers hiding in plain sight: the burdens levied by our agile, collaborative way of working that can have damaging ripple effects. Key topics discussed: 01:11 | The gravity of microstress 07:29 | Types of microstress 12:26 | Solutions to microstress 19:04 | Microstress in organizations 25:35 | Positive aspects of microstress 29:14 | Where to start with countering microstress About the BCG Henderson Institute The BCG Henderson Institute is the Boston Consulting Group’s think tank, dedicated to exploring and developing valuable new insights from business, technology, economics, and science by embracing the powerful technology of ideas. The Institute engages leaders in provocative discussion and experimentation to expand the boundaries of business theory and practice and to translate innovative ideas from within and beyond business. For more ideas and inspiration, sign up to receive BHI INSIGHTS, our monthly newsletter, and follow us on LinkedIn and Twitter. This podcast uses the following third-party services for analysis: Chartable - https://chartable.com/privacy

In her book Think Bigger: How to Innovate, Sheena Iyengar dispels the notion that the best way of coming up with a good idea is to have a group brainstorm or to rely on the unpredictable intuitions of special gifted individuals. Iyengar is the S. T. Lee Professor of Business at Columbia Business School and an expert on decision-making and choice. Drawing on advances in brain science, she argues that creativity is not mysterious, but is instead quite similar to analytical thinking. Together with Martin Reeves, Chairman of BCG Henderson Institute, Iyengar discusses her six-step methodology to help people unlock their ability to create useful new ideas, illustrating this with many examples from business. Key topics discussed: 00:58 | What neuroscience says about innovation 07:43 | A six-step method for ideation 19:22 | Limitations of the method 24:21 | The role of groups and technology 28:51 | Implementing the method at your company About the BCG Henderson Institute The BCG Henderson Institute is the Boston Consulting Group’s think tank, dedicated to exploring and developing valuable new insights from business, technology, economics, and science by embracing the powerful technology of ideas. The Institute engages leaders in provocative discussion and experimentation to expand the boundaries of business theory and practice and to translate innovative ideas from within and beyond business. For more ideas and inspiration, sign up to receive BHI INSIGHTS, our monthly newsletter, and follow us on LinkedIn and Twitter. This podcast uses the following third-party services for analysis: Chartable - https://chartable.com/privacy

In his new book, The Crisis of Democratic Capitalism, Financial Times’ chief economics commentator Martin Wolf explores the causes of and solutions to today’s global democratic recession. Wolf, who in 2000 was awarded the CBE (Commander of the British Empire) “for services to financial journalism,” is the author of several earlier books on global economics. Together with Martin Reeves, Chairman of BCG Henderson Institute, they discuss the fragile marriage of liberal democracy and market capitalism. They are twin ideologies—both based on the belief in human agency and the rule of law. But when wealth leads to political power or political power to wealth, the system breaks down. We are seeing this play out in keystone liberal democracies struggling to contain populism, and in authoritarian regimes that are gaining momentum. The struggle with populism, in particular, can be traced to three developments: the emergence of societal rifts around questions of identity, the decline of the economic and political position of the working class, and the rise of the financial and tech sector as the new elite. Essential to the restoration of liberal democracy, Wolf and Reeves note, is the imperative to improve economic and political institutions such that opportunity, security, and dignity are available to all. Key topics discussed: 00:58 | The fragile marriage of liberal democracy and market capitalism 04:08 | Evidence for a global democratic recession 11:01 | The forces behind democratic decline 15:30 | The agenda for restoring democratic capitalism 19:22 | The key role of business leaders About the BCG Henderson Institute The BCG Henderson Institute is the Boston Consulting Group’s think tank, dedicated to exploring and developing valuable new insights from business, technology, economics, and science by embracing the powerful technology of ideas. The Institute engages leaders in provocative discussion and experimentation to expand the boundaries of business theory and practice and to translate innovative ideas from within and beyond business. For more ideas and inspiration, sign up to receive BHI INSIGHTS, our monthly newsletter, and follow us on LinkedIn and Twitter. This podcast uses the following third-party services for analysis: Chartable - https://chartable.com/privacy

In their book Sustainability, Technology, and Finance: Rethinking How Markets Integrate ESG, Georg Kell and Andreas Rasche explore the swiftly emerging and crucially important nexus among sustainability, finance, and technology. Kell is Chairman of the tech company Arabesque, which uses AI and data to assess sustainability performance and guide investments. He is also founder of the UN Global Compact, the world’s largest corporate sustainability initiative. Rasche is a professor of business in society and Associate Dean of Copenhagen Business School. Together with Martin Reeves, Chairman of BCG Henderson Institute, they discuss the bleeding edge of sustainability thinking. ESG investment, Kell and Rasche explain, should be viewed through three lenses as they relate to technology. First, technological innovations, such as chemical recycling for plastics, shape firms’ ESG performance. Second, technological developments enable investors to assess ESG performance more accurately (for example, the use of blockchain tech to enhance supply chain transparency). Finally, the ESG investment agenda itself is influenced by technology; consider that Bitcoin mining creates significant emissions. Based on this three-lens framework, Kell and Rasche explain how technology can be a critical part of the sustainability solution. *** About the BCG Henderson Institute The BCG Henderson Institute is the Boston Consulting Group’s think tank, dedicated to exploring and developing valuable new insights from business, technology, economics, and science by embracing the powerful technology of ideas. The Institute engages leaders in provocative discussion and experimentation to expand the boundaries of business theory and practice and to translate innovative ideas from within and beyond business. For more ideas and inspiration, sign up to receive BHI INSIGHTS, our monthly newsletter, and follow us on LinkedIn and Twitter. This podcast uses the following third-party services for analysis: Chartable - https://chartable.com/privacy