Build an Atlantic-Pacific Partnership

The West is recognizing that China’s rise has fundamentally shifted the global balance of power. For the first time, the European Union (EU) declared China as a “systemic rival” in 2019.1 NATO leaders also mentioned China for the first time in the 2019 London Declaration, identifying both the “opportunities and challenges” of China’s growing influence.2 As the West grapples with a strategy to address China’s rise, it faces a full-spectrum challenge from China in traditional and non-traditional security spheres that NATO is best positioned to confront.

Key Takeaways:

0:00 Intro

2:13 James explains why they use the bold language in their paper that NATO should formalize Atlantic Pacific Partnership to counter China's hostile and malign activities

3:20 James talks about why NATO doesn’t use the big words to refer to China but uses the word bully instead of hostile or malign as used in their paper

4:58 Monica shares her thoughts if NATO has been asleep, let’s too much go on under its nose in putting out the warnings such as buying of strategic assets

6:17 Harry and James share their thoughts on China buying more ports in different states and if that presents a threat to the state or makes China a smart business operator than others

10:12 James and Monica talk about how China is intensively building economic connections around the world and if that posses national threats to US and Europe

14:32 Monica, Harry and James talk about the disinformation campaigns that China is having against the United States and Europe and how that presents itself as a threat

18:28 Monica, James and Harry talk about how China’s extended economic hand to states is being the reason that most states can’t counter Chinese influence and what NATO should do

23:41 James and Harry explain why NATO should focus more on the multilateral instead of bilateral in terms of neutralizing China becoming a threat

25:42 Harry also talks about the seven baseline requirements for resilience by NATO to combat non-traditional threats

26:41James reiterate on the point of multilateral and bilateral and what he thinks that NATO should do regarding this

28:41 James talks about sanctions for disinformation, what NATO should do with regard to this and what China reaction would be

30:15 Harry, James and Monica all share their thoughts on if NATO feels like China is a threat like Russia and how other allies of NATO feel and if it’s a good thing

33:34 Monica and Harry predict what would be the outcome if China and Russia worked together and if other states should be worried about that

37:52 James, Monica and Harry share their predictions on what NATO will do and what China will do in response to their paper and rethinking paper that NATO recognize China as a threat, analyze it and take action

Shows Mentioned:

https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/content-series/nato20-2020/build-an-atlantic-pacific-partnership/

https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/

https://twitter.com/hashtag/strongerwithallies?lang=en

ASEAN: https://asean.org/

Quotes Mentioned:“NATO has been asleep at the wheel, but so is the rest of the world.”

“It is predicted that Southeast Asia will be the new place for global supply chains.”

“We can't get a consensus on everything.”

“We have a really complex economic interdependence that crisscrosses the entire world.”

“We must compete where we must and cooperate where we can.”

“Russia also is afraid of China too.”

“China has one of the greatest military forces in the world right now.”

Guests Social Media Links:

James Hildebrand: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jamesdhildebrand/

Monica Michiko Sato:LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mmsato/ Website: https://monicamichikosato.wordpress.com/ Twitter: https://twitter.com/_mmsato?lang=en

Harry W.S. Lee:LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/hwslee/ Twitter: https://twitter.com/harrylee8917