The tax deal that includes a retroactive fix for domestic R&D expensing through 2025 passed the House! Now what?

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The R&D Tax Credit still exists, and it might be able to help you offset the Section 174 changes. Michele talks to R&D Tax Credit expert Jonathan Cardella of Strike Tax Advisory to learn more. Learn more: What is the R&D Tax Credit? IRS R&D Tax Credit rules Please note: This podcast is for informational purposes only and is not tax advice. Talk to your tax preparer for advice about your specific situation.

Colleen and Michele talk about their hopes and plans for 2023, and make an announcement about this show. Huge thanks to all of our listeners who became Software Socialites and supported our show! We genuinely appreciate your enthusiasm and support. Chris from Chipper CI The Daringly Handsome Kevin Griffin And Mike from Gently Used Domains, who has a nice personality Dave from Recut Max of OnlineOrNot Stefan from Talk to Stefan Brendan Andrade of Bright Bits Team Tuple Alex Hillman from The Tiny MBA Ramy fromHovercode and Rocket Gems Jane and Benedikt from Userlist Kendall Morgan Ruben Gamez of SignWell Corey Haines of SwipeWell Mike Wade of Crowd Sentry Nate Ritter of Room Steals Anna Maste of Subscribe Sense Geoff Roberts from Outseta Justin Jackson, MegaMaker Jack Ellis and Paul Jarvis from Fathom Analytics Matthew from Appointment Reminder Andrew Culver at Bullet Train John Kostor Alex of Corso Systems Richard from Stunning Josh,the annoyingly pragmatic founder Ben from Consent Kit John from Credo and EditorNinja Cam Sloan Michael Koper of Nusii Proposals Chris from Urlbox Caeli of Tosslet Greg Park from TraitLab Adam from Rails Autoscale Lana and Alex from Recapsy Joe Masilotti of railsdevs.com Proud MaMa from Oplnet, LLC Anna from Kradl Moncef from Ruby on Mac Steve of Be Inclusive Simon Bennett of SnapShooter Backups Josh Smith of Keyhero.io Jesper Christiansen of FormBackend Matthew Wojtowicz of WorkCited Chris of Jetboost.io Daryl Shannon of Docamatic Larabelles - a community for Laravel developers under-represented due to their gender Brendon from Feederloop Pascal from sharpen.page Lynn Romich from Konbini Arvid Kahl James Sowers from Castaway.fm Jessica Malnik Damian Moore of Audio Audit Podcast Checker Eldon from NodleStudios Mitchell Davis from RecruitKit

Michele talked to Christian Genco on December 1 about what he needed to do to launch his new SaaS, TheVideoClipper, with a deadline of having it done before this episode was released. So... did he do it? Follow Christian! https://twitter.com/cgenco Check out TheVideoClipper: https://thevideoclipper.com/ Huge thanks to all of our listeners who’ve become Software Socialites and support our show! Chris from Chipper CI The Daringly Handsome Kevin Griffin And Mike from Gently Used Domains, who has a nice personality Dave from Recut Max of OnlineOrNot Stefan from Talk to Stefan Brendan Andrade of Bright Bits Team Tuple Alex Hillman from The Tiny MBA Ramy fromHovercode and Rocket Gems Jane and Benedikt from Userlist Kendall Morgan Ruben Gamez of SignWell Corey Haines of SwipeWell Mike Wade of Crowd Sentry Nate Ritter of Room Steals Anna Maste of Subscribe Sense Geoff Roberts from Outseta Justin Jackson, MegaMaker Jack Ellis and Paul Jarvis from Fathom Analytics Matthew from Appointment Reminder Andrew Culver at Bullet Train John Kostor Alex of Corso Systems Richard from Stunning Josh,the annoyingly pragmatic founder Ben from Consent Kit John from Credo and EditorNinja Cam Sloan Michael Koper of Nusii Proposals Chris from Urlbox Caeli of Tosslet Greg Park from TraitLab Adam from Rails Autoscale Lana and Alex from Recapsy Joe Masilotti of railsdevs.com Proud MaMa from Oplnet, LLC Anna from Kradl Moncef from Ruby on Mac Steve of Be Inclusive Simon Bennett of SnapShooter Backups Josh Smith of Keyhero.io Jesper Christiansen of FormBackend Matthew Wojtowicz of WorkCited Chris of Jetboost.io Daryl Shannon of Docamatic Larabelles - a community for Laravel developers under-represented due to their gender Brendon from Feederloop Pascal from sharpen.page Lynn Romich from Konbini Arvid Kahl James Sowers from Castaway.fm Jessica Malnik Damian Moore of Audio Audit Podcast Checker Eldon from NodleStudios Mitchell Davis from RecruitKit

Michele and Colleen reflect on the year. Huge thanks to all of our listeners who’ve become Software Socialites and support our show <3 Chris from Chipper CI The Daringly Handsome Kevin Griffin And Mike from Gently Used Domains, who has a nice personality Dave from Recut Max of OnlineOrNot Stefan from Talk to Stefan Brendan Andrade of Bright Bits Team Tuple Alex Hillman from The Tiny MBA Ramy fromHovercode and Rocket Gems Jane and Benedikt from Userlist Kendall Morgan Ruben Gamez of SignWell Corey Haines of SwipeWell Mike Wade of Crowd Sentry Nate Ritter of Room Steals Anna Maste of Subscribe Sense Geoff Roberts from Outseta Justin Jackson, MegaMaker Jack Ellis and Paul Jarvis from Fathom Analytics Matthew from Appointment Reminder Andrew Culver at Bullet Train John Kostor Alex of Corso Systems Richard from Stunning Josh,the annoyingly pragmatic founder Ben from Consent Kit John from Credo and EditorNinja Cam Sloan Michael Koper of Nusii Proposals Chris from Urlbox Caeli of Tosslet Greg Park from TraitLab Adam from Rails Autoscale Lana and Alex from Recapsy Joe Masilotti of railsdevs.com Proud MaMa from Oplnet, LLC Anna from Kradl Moncef from Ruby on Mac Steve of Be Inclusive Simon Bennett of SnapShooter Backups Josh Smith of Keyhero.io Jesper Christiansen of FormBackend Matthew Wojtowicz of WorkCited Chris of Jetboost.io Daryl Shannon of Docamatic Larabelles - a community for Laravel developers under-represented due to their gender Brendon from Feederloop Pascal from sharpen.page Lynn Romich from Konbini Arvid Kahl James Sowers from Castaway.fm Jessica Malnik Damian Moore of Audio Audit Podcast Checker Eldon from NodleStudios Mitchell Davis from RecruitKit

Michele shares her takeaways from the book The Culture Map and what it might mean for getting product feedback and building products across countries. Huge thanks to all of our listeners who’ve become Software Socialites and support our show! You can become a supporter for $100 a year at softwaresocial.dev/supporters Chris from Chipper CI The Daringly Handsome Kevin Griffin And Mike from Gently Used Domains, who has a nice personality Dave from Recut Max of OnlineOrNot Stefan from Talk to Stefan Brendan Andrade of Bright Bits Team Tuple Alex Hillman from The Tiny MBA Ramy fromHovercode and Rocket Gems Jane and Benedikt from Userlist Kendall Morgan Ruben Gamez of SignWell Corey Haines of SwipeWell Mike Wade of Crowd Sentry Nate Ritter of Room Steals Anna Maste of Subscribe Sense Geoff Roberts from Outseta Justin Jackson, MegaMaker Jack Ellis and Paul Jarvis from Fathom Analytics Matthew from Appointment Reminder Andrew Culver at Bullet Train John Kostor Alex of Corso Systems Richard from Stunning Josh,the annoyingly pragmatic founder Ben from Consent Kit John from Credo and EditorNinja Cam Sloan Michael Koper of Nusii Proposals Chris from Urlbox Caeli of Tosslet Greg Park from TraitLab Adam from Rails Autoscale Lana and Alex from Recapsy Joe Masilotti of railsdevs.com Proud MaMa from Oplnet, LLC Anna from Kradl Moncef from Ruby on Mac Steve of Be Inclusive Simon Bennett of SnapShooter Backups Josh Smith of Keyhero.io Jesper Christiansen of FormBackend Matthew Wojtowicz of WorkCited Chris of Jetboost.io Daryl Shannon of Docamatic Larabelles - a community for Laravel developers under-represented due to their gender Brendon from Feederloop Pascal from sharpen.page Lynn Romich from Konbini Arvid Kahl James Sowers from Castaway.fm Jessica Malnik Damian Moore of Audio Audit Podcast Checker Eldon from NodleStudios Mitchell Davis from RecruitKit

Colleen recaps her learnings from her first TinySeed meetup/MicroConf: Local Austin. Huge thanks to all of our listeners who’ve become Software Socialites and support our show! You can become a supporter for $100 a year at softwaresocial.dev/supporters Chris from Chipper CI The Daringly Handsome Kevin Griffin And Mike from Gently Used Domains, who has a nice personality Dave from Recut Max of OnlineOrNot Stefan from Talk to Stefan Brendan Andrade of Bright Bits Team Tuple Alex Hillman from The Tiny MBA Ramy fromHovercode and Rocket Gems Jane and Benedikt from Userlist Kendall Morgan Ruben Gamez of SignWell Corey Haines of SwipeWell Mike Wade of Crowd Sentry Nate Ritter of Room Steals Anna Maste of Subscribe Sense Geoff Roberts from Outseta Justin Jackson, MegaMaker Jack Ellis and Paul Jarvis from Fathom Analytics Matthew from Appointment Reminder Andrew Culver at Bullet Train John Kostor Alex of Corso Systems Richard from Stunning Josh,the annoyingly pragmatic founder Ben from Consent Kit John from Credo and EditorNinja Cam Sloan Michael Koper of Nusii Proposals Chris from Urlbox Caeli of Tosslet Greg Park from TraitLab Adam from Rails Autoscale Lana and Alex from Recapsy Joe Masilotti of railsdevs.com Proud MaMa from Oplnet, LLC Anna from Kradl Moncef from Ruby on Mac Steve of Be Inclusive Simon Bennett of SnapShooter Backups Josh Smith of Keyhero.io Jesper Christiansen of FormBackend Matthew Wojtowicz of WorkCited Chris of Jetboost.io Daryl Shannon of Docamatic Larabelles - a community for Laravel developers under-represented due to their gender Brendon from Feederloop Pascal from sharpen.page Lynn Romich from Konbini Arvid Kahl James Sowers from Castaway.fm Jessica Malnik Damian Moore of Audio Audit Podcast Checker Eldon from NodleStudios Mitchell Davis from RecruitKit

Colleen is ready to go all-in on Refine... and that means moving on from Simple File Upload. Huge thanks to all of our listeners who’ve become Software Socialites and support our show! You can become a supporter for $100 a year at softwaresocial.dev/supporters New supporters! Lynn Romich from Konbini Chris from Chipper CI The Daringly Handsome Kevin Griffin And Mike from Gently Used Domains, who has a nice personality Dave from Recut Max of OnlineOrNot Stefan from Talk to Stefan Brendan Andrade of Bright Bits Team Tuple Alex Hillman from The Tiny MBA Ramy fromHovercode and Rocket Gems Jane and Benedikt from Userlist Kendall Morgan Ruben Gamez of SignWell Corey Haines of SwipeWell Mike Wade of Crowd Sentry Nate Ritter of Room Steals Anna Maste of Subscribe Sense Geoff Roberts from Outseta Justin Jackson, MegaMaker Jack Ellis and Paul Jarvis from Fathom Analytics Matthew from Appointment Reminder Andrew Culver at Bullet Train John Kostor Alex of Corso Systems Richard from Stunning Josh,the annoyingly pragmatic founder Ben from Consent Kit John from Credo and EditorNinja Cam Sloan Michael Koper of Nusii Proposals Chris from Urlbox Caeli of Tosslet Greg Park from TraitLab Adam from Rails Autoscale Lana and Alex from Recapsy Joe Masilotti of railsdevs.com Proud MaMa from Oplnet, LLC Anna from Kradl Moncef from Ruby on Mac Steve of Be Inclusive Simon Bennett of SnapShooter Backups Josh Smith of Keyhero.io Jesper Christiansen of FormBackend Matthew Wojtowicz of WorkCited Chris of Jetboost.io Daryl Shannon of Docamatic Larabelles - a community for Laravel developers under-represented due to their gender Brendon from Feederloop Pascal from sharpen.page Arvid Kahl James Sowers from Castaway.fm Jessica Malnik Damian Moore of Audio Audit Podcast Checker Eldon from NodleStudios Mitchell Davis from RecruitKit

Colleen and her business partner Aaron give an update on Hammerstone (Refine) in this crossover episode. Huge thanks to all of our listeners who’ve become Software Socialites and support our show! You can become a supporter for $100 a year at softwaresocial.dev/supporters Lynn Romich from Konbini Chris from Chipper CI The Daringly Handsome Kevin Griffin And Mike from Gently Used Domains, who has a nice personality Dave from Recut Max of OnlineOrNot Stefan from Talk to Stefan Brendan Andrade of Bright Bits Team Tuple Alex Hillman from The Tiny MBA Ramy fromHovercode and Rocket Gems Jane and Benedikt from Userlist Kendall Morgan Ruben Gamez of SignWell Corey Haines of SwipeWell Mike Wade of Crowd Sentry Nate Ritter of Room Steals Anna Maste of Subscribe Sense Geoff Roberts from Outseta Justin Jackson, MegaMaker Jack Ellis and Paul Jarvis from Fathom Analytics Matthew from Appointment Reminder Andrew Culver at Bullet Train John Kostor Alex of Corso Systems Richard from Stunning Josh,the annoyingly pragmatic founder Ben from Consent Kit John from Credo and EditorNinja Cam Sloan Michael Koper of Nusii Proposals Chris from Urlbox Caeli of Tosslet Greg Park from TraitLab Adam from Rails Autoscale Lana and Alex from Recapsy Joe Masilotti of railsdevs.com Proud MaMa from Oplnet, LLC Anna from Kradl Moncef from Ruby on Mac Steve of Be Inclusive Simon Bennett of SnapShooter Backups Josh Smith of Keyhero.io Jesper Christiansen of FormBackend Matthew Wojtowicz of WorkCited Chris of Jetboost.io Daryl Shannon of Docamatic Larabelles - a community for Laravel developers under-represented due to their gender Brendon from Feederloop Pascal from sharpen.page Arvid Kahl James Sowers from Castaway.fm Jessica Malnik Damian Moore of Audio Audit Podcast Checker Eldon from NodleStudios Mitchell Davis from RecruitKit

Talking to other entrepreneurs made Michele realize that she hasn't talked about interplay of qualitative *and* qualitative data enough. Michele and Colleen talk about what that means in the context of feature requests and high-touch sales. Huge thanks to all of our listeners who’ve become Software Socialites and support our show! You can become a supporter for $100 a year at softwaresocial.dev/supporters New supporters! Brendon from Feederloop Pascal from sharpen.page Lynn Romich from Konbini Chris from Chipper CI The Daringly Handsome Kevin Griffin And Mike from Gently Used Domains, who has a nice personality Dave from Recut Max of OnlineOrNot Stefan from Talk to Stefan Brendan Andrade of Bright Bits Team Tuple Alex Hillman from The Tiny MBA Ramy fromHovercode and Rocket Gems Jane and Benedikt from Userlist Kendall Morgan Ruben Gamez of SignWell Corey Haines of SwipeWell Mike Wade of Crowd Sentry Nate Ritter of Room Steals Anna Maste of Subscribe Sense Geoff Roberts from Outseta Justin Jackson, MegaMaker Jack Ellis and Paul Jarvis from Fathom Analytics Matthew from Appointment Reminder Andrew Culver at Bullet Train John Kostor Alex of Corso Systems Richard from Stunning Josh,the annoyingly pragmatic founder Ben from Consent Kit John from Credo and EditorNinja Cam Sloan Michael Koper of Nusii Proposals Chris from Urlbox Caeli of Tosslet Greg Park from TraitLab Adam from Rails Autoscale Lana and Alex from Recapsy Joe Masilotti of railsdevs.com Proud MaMa from Oplnet, LLC Anna from Kradl Moncef from Ruby on Mac Steve of Be Inclusive Simon Bennett of SnapShooter Backups Josh Smith of Keyhero.io Jesper Christiansen of FormBackend Matthew Wojtowicz of WorkCited Chris of Jetboost.io Daryl Shannon of Docamatic Larabelles - the community for women, non-binary and trans Laravel developers Arvid Kahl James Sowers from Castaway.fm Jessica Malnik Damian Moore of Audio Audit Podcast Checker Eldon from NodleStudios Mitchell Davis from RecruitKit

Colleen's company was accepted to TinySeed, which means she now gets to work on Refine full time. That means she can finally make some hard decisions and push. (Note: Colleen and Michele were actually in the same place last week, so that's why the audio quality is different than normal!) Huge thanks to all of our listeners who’ve become Software Socialites and support our show! You can become a supporter for $100 a year at softwaresocial.dev/supporters Special thanks to our new supporters! Brendon from Feederloop Pascal from sharpen.page Chris from Chipper CI The Daringly Handsome Kevin Griffin And Mike from Gently Used Domains, who has a nice personality Dave from Recut Max of OnlineOrNot Stefan from Talk to Stefan Brendan Andrade of Bright Bits Team Tuple Alex Hillman from The Tiny MBA Ramy fromHovercode and Rocket Gems Jane and Benedikt from Userlist Kendall Morgan Ruben Gamez of SignWell Corey Haines of SwipeWell Mike Wade of Crowd Sentry Nate Ritter of Room Steals Anna Maste of Subscribe Sense Geoff Roberts from Outseta Justin Jackson, MegaMaker Jack Ellis and Paul Jarvis from Fathom Analytics Matthew from Appointment Reminder Andrew Culver at Bullet Train John Kostor Alex of Corso Systems Richard from Stunning Josh,the annoyingly pragmatic founder Ben from Consent Kit John from Credo and EditorNinja Cam Sloan Michael Koper of Nusii Proposals Chris from Urlbox Caeli of Tosslet Greg Park from TraitLab Adam from Rails Autoscale Lana and Alex from Recapsy Joe Masilotti of railsdevs.com Proud MaMa from Oplnet, LLC Anna from Kradl Moncef from Ruby on Mac Steve of Be Inclusive Simon Bennett of SnapShooter Backups Josh Smith of Keyhero.io Jesper Christiansen of FormBackend Matthew Wojtowicz of WorkCited Chris of Jetboost.io Daryl Shannon of Docamatic Larabelles - the community for women, non-binary and trans Laravel developers Arvid Kahl James Sowers from Castaway.fm Jessica Malnik Damian Moore of Audio Audit Podcast Checker Eldon from NodleStudios Mitchell Davis from RecruitKit

Michele chats with indie developer Benedicte Raae about getting into public speaking through streaming. Follow Benedicte on Twitter! https://twitter.com/raae Benedicte's website: https://queen.raae.codes/ StreamYard: https://streamyard.com/ A couple friends of this pod have launched their own shows for entrepreneurs lately! Check them out: Ship SaaS Faster (Simon Bennett + Volkan Kaya): https://shipsaasfaster.com/ Marketing Retro (Adrienne Barnes + Josh Ho): https://marketingretro.substack.com/ The Weekly Build (Marie Ng + Jesse Anderson): https://www.theweeklybuild.com/ This Indie Life (James McKinven + Dagobert Renouf): https://indielife.fm/ The Non-Tech Founders Podcast (Laura Elizabeth and Nathan Powell): https://nontechfounders.transistor.fm/ Huge thanks to all of our listeners who’ve become Software Socialites and support our show! You can become a supporter for $100 a year at softwaresocial.dev/supporters Chris from Chipper CI The Daringly Handsome Kevin Griffin And Mike from Gently Used Domains, who has a nice personality Dave from Recut Max of OnlineOrNot Stefan from Talk to Stefan Brendan Andrade of Bright Bits Team Tuple Alex Hillman from The Tiny MBA Ramy fromHovercode and Rocket Gems Jane and Benedikt from Userlist Kendall Morgan Ruben Gamez of SignWell Corey Haines of SwipeWell Mike Wade of Crowd Sentry Nate Ritter of Room Steals Anna Maste of Subscribe Sense Geoff Roberts from Outseta Justin Jackson, MegaMaker Jack Ellis and Paul Jarvis from Fathom Analytics Matthew from Appointment Reminder Andrew Culver at Bullet Train John Kostor Alex of Corso Systems Richard from Stunning Josh,the annoyingly pragmatic founder Ben from Consent Kit John from Credo and EditorNinja Cam Sloan Michael Koper of Nusii Proposals Chris from Urlbox Caeli of Tosslet Greg Park from TraitLab Adam from Rails Autoscale Lana and Alex from Recapsy Joe Masilotti of railsdevs.com Proud MaMa from Oplnet, LLC Anna from Kradl Moncef from Ruby on Mac Steve of Be Inclusive Simon Bennett of SnapShooter Backups Josh Smith of Keyhero.io Jesper Christiansen of FormBackend Matthew Wojtowicz of WorkCited Chris of Jetboost.io Daryl Shannon of Docamatic Larabelles - the community for women, non-binary and trans Laravel developers Arvid Kahl James Sowers from Castaway.fm Jessica Malnik Damian Moore of Audio Audit Podcast Checker Eldon from NodleStudios Mitchell Davis from RecruitKit

Should indie founders take sick leave? Michele and Colleen discuss. A couple friends of this pod have launched their own shows for entrepreneurs lately! Check them out: Ship SaaS Faster (Simon Bennett + Volkan Kaya): https://shipsaasfaster.com/ Marketing Retro (Adrienne Barnes + Josh Ho): https://marketingretro.substack.com/ The Weekly Build (Marie Ng + Jesse Anderson): https://www.theweeklybuild.com/ This Indie Life (James McKinven + Dagobert Renouf): https://indielife.fm/ The Non-Tech Founders Podcast (Laura Elizabeth and Nathan Powell): https://nontechfounders.transistor.fm/ Huge thanks to all of our listeners who’ve become Software Socialites and support our show! You can become a supporter for $100 a year at softwaresocial.dev/supporters Chris from Chipper CI The Daringly Handsome Kevin Griffin And Mike from Gently Used Domains, who has a nice personality Dave from Recut Max of OnlineOrNot Stefan from Talk to Stefan Brendan Andrade of Bright Bits Team Tuple Alex Hillman from The Tiny MBA Ramy fromHovercode and Rocket Gems Jane and Benedikt from Userlist Kendall Morgan Ruben Gamez of SignWell Corey Haines of SwipeWell Mike Wade of Crowd Sentry Nate Ritter of Room Steals Anna Maste of Subscribe Sense Geoff Roberts from Outseta Justin Jackson, MegaMaker Jack Ellis and Paul Jarvis from Fathom Analytics Matthew from Appointment Reminder Andrew Culver at Bullet Train John Kostor Alex of Corso Systems Richard from Stunning Josh,the annoyingly pragmatic founder Ben from Consent Kit John from Credo and EditorNinja Cam Sloan Michael Koper of Nusii Proposals Chris from Urlbox Caeli of Tosslet Greg Park from TraitLab Adam from Rails Autoscale Lana and Alex from Recapsy Joe Masilotti of railsdevs.com Proud MaMa from Oplnet, LLC Anna from Kradl Moncef from Ruby on Mac Steve of Be Inclusive Simon Bennett of SnapShooter Backups Josh Smith of Keyhero.io Jesper Christiansen of FormBackend Matthew Wojtowicz of WorkCited Chris of Jetboost.io Daryl Shannon of Docamatic Larabelles - the community for women, non-binary and trans Laravel developers Arvid Kahl James Sowers from Castaway.fm Jessica Malnik Damian Moore of Audio Audit Podcast Checker Eldon from NodleStudios Mitchell Davis from RecruitKit

Michele continues her chat with Summit founder Matt Wensing about ways indie SaaS founders can think about moats and competitive advantages. This episode: cost advantages, size advantages (big and small), and false moats. Recommended reading on competitive advantages: The Little Book That Builds Wealth A couple friends of this pod have launched their own shows for entrepreneurs lately! Check them out: Ship SaaS Faster (Simon Bennett + Volkan Kaya): https://shipsaasfaster.com/ Marketing Retro (Adrienne Barnes + Josh Ho): https://marketingretro.substack.com/ The Weekly Build (Marie Ng + Jesse Anderson): https://www.theweeklybuild.com/ This Indie Life (James McKinven + Dagobert Renouf): https://indielife.fm/ The Non-Tech Founders Podcast (Laura Elizabeth and Nathan Powell): https://nontechfounders.transistor.fm/ Huge thanks to all of our listeners who’ve become Software Socialites and support our show! You can become a supporter for $100 a year at softwaresocial.dev/supporters Chris from Chipper CI The Daringly Handsome Kevin Griffin And Mike from Gently Used Domains, who has a nice personality Dave from Recut Max of OnlineOrNot Stefan from Talk to Stefan Brendan Andrade of Bright Bits Team Tuple Alex Hillman from The Tiny MBA Ramy fromHovercode and Rocket Gems Jane and Benedikt from Userlist Kendall Morgan Ruben Gamez of SignWell Corey Haines of SwipeWell Mike Wade of Crowd Sentry Nate Ritter of Room Steals Anna Maste of Subscribe Sense Geoff Roberts from Outseta Justin Jackson, MegaMaker Jack Ellis and Paul Jarvis from Fathom Analytics Matthew from Appointment Reminder Andrew Culver at Bullet Train John Kostor Alex of Corso Systems Richard from Stunning Josh,the annoyingly pragmatic founder Ben from Consent Kit John from Credo and EditorNinja Cam Sloan Michael Koper of Nusii Proposals Chris from Urlbox Caeli of Tosslet Greg Park from TraitLab Adam from Rails Autoscale Lana and Alex from Recapsy Joe Masilotti of railsdevs.com Proud MaMa from Oplnet, LLC Anna from Kradl Moncef from Ruby on Mac Steve of Be Inclusive Simon Bennett of SnapShooter Backups Josh Smith of Keyhero.io Jesper Christiansen of FormBackend Matthew Wojtowicz of WorkCited Chris of Jetboost.io Daryl Shannon of Docamatic Larabelles - the community for women, non-binary and trans Laravel developers Arvid Kahl James Sowers from Castaway.fm Jessica Malnik Damian Moore of Audio Audit Podcast Checker Eldon from NodleStudios Mitchell Davis from RecruitKit

Michele chats with Summit founder Matt Wensing about intangible assets, switching costs, and network effects, and how they apply to indie software companies. Huge thanks to all of our listeners who’ve become Software Socialites and support our show! You can become a supporter for $10 a month or $100 a year at softwaresocial.dev/supporters Chris from Chipper CI The Daringly Handsome Kevin Griffin And Mike from Gently Used Domains, who has a nice personality Dave from Recut Max of OnlineOrNot Stefan from Talk to Stefan Brendan Andrade of Bright Bits Team Tuple Alex Hillman from The Tiny MBA Ramy fromHovercode and Rocket Gems Jane and Benedikt from Userlist Kendall Morgan Ruben Gamez of SignWell Corey Haines of SwipeWell Mike Wade of Crowd Sentry Nate Ritter of Room Steals Anna Maste of Subscribe Sense Geoff Roberts from Outseta Justin Jackson, MegaMaker Jack Ellis and Paul Jarvis from Fathom Analytics Matthew from Appointment Reminder Andrew Culver at Bullet Train John Kostor Alex of Corso Systems Richard from Stunning Josh,the annoyingly pragmatic founder Ben from Consent Kit John from Credo and EditorNinja Cam Sloan Michael Koper of Nusii Proposals Chris from Urlbox Caeli of Tosslet Greg Park from TraitLab Adam from Rails Autoscale Lana and Alex from Recapsy Joe Masilotti of railsdevs.com Proud MaMa from Oplnet, LLC Anna from Kradl Moncef from Ruby on Mac Steve of Be Inclusive Simon Bennett of SnapShooter Backups Josh Smith of Keyhero.io Jesper Christiansen of FormBackend Matthew Wojtowicz of WorkCited Chris of Jetboost.io Daryl Shannon of Docamatic Larabelles - the community for women, non-binary and trans Laravel developers Arvid Kahl James Sowers from Castaway.fm Jessica Malnik Damian Moore of Audio Audit Podcast Checker Eldon from NodleStudios Mitchell Davis from RecruitKit

Aaron Francis, Colleen's co-founder, swings by to chat about Refine. Huge thanks to all of our listeners who’ve become Software Socialites and support our show! You can become a supporter for $10 a month or $100 a year at softwaresocial.dev/supporters Chris from Chipper CI The Daringly Handsome Kevin Griffin And Mike from Gently Used Domains, who has a nice personality Dave from Recut Max of OnlineOrNot Stefan from Talk to Stefan Brendan Andrade of Bright Bits Team Tuple Alex Hillman from The Tiny MBA Ramy from Memo.fm Jane and Benedikt from Userlist Kendall Morgan Ruben Gamez of SignWell Corey Haines of SwipeWell Mike Wade of Crowd Sentry Nate Ritter of Room Steals Anna Maste of Subscribe Sense Geoff Roberts from Outseta Justin Jackson, MegaMaker Jack Ellis and Paul Jarvis from Fathom Analytics Matthew from Appointment Reminder Andrew Culver at Bullet Train John Kostor Alex of Corso Systems Richard from Stunning Josh,the annoyingly pragmatic founder Ben from Consent Kit John from Credo and EditorNinja Cam Sloan Michael Koper of Nusii Proposals Chris from Urlbox Caeli of Tosslet Greg Park from TraitLab Adam from Rails Autoscale Lana and Alex from Recapsy Joe Masilotti of railsdevs.com Proud MaMa from Oplnet, LLC Anna from Kradl Moncef from Ruby on Mac Steve of Be Inclusive Simon Bennett of SnapShooter Backups Josh Smith of Keyhero.io Jesper Christiansen of FormBackend Matthew Wojtowicz of WorkCited Chris of Jetboost.io Daryl Shannon of Docamatic Larabelles - the community for women, non-binary and trans Laravel developers Arvid Kahl James Sowers from Castaway.fm Jessica Malnik Damian Moore of Audio Audit Podcast Checker Eldon from NodleStudios Mitchell Davis from RecruitKit

Four things Colleen is super pumped about... and one thing she's not. Huge thanks to all of our listeners who’ve become Software Socialites and support our show! You can become a supporter for $10 a month or $100 a year at softwaresocial.dev/supporters Chris from Chipper CI The Daringly Handsome Kevin Griffin And Mike from Gently Used Domains, who has a nice personality Dave from Recut Max of OnlineOrNot Stefan from Talk to Stefan Brendan Andrade of Bright Bits Team Tuple Alex Hillman from The Tiny MBA Ramy from Memo.fm Jane and Benedikt from Userlist Kendall Morgan Ruben Gamez of SignWell Corey Haines of SwipeWell Mike Wade of Crowd Sentry Nate Ritter of Room Steals Anna Maste of Subscribe Sense Geoff Roberts from Outseta Justin Jackson, MegaMaker Jack Ellis and Paul Jarvis from Fathom Analytics Matthew from Appointment Reminder Andrew Culver at Bullet Train John Kostor Alex of Corso Systems Richard from Stunning Josh,the annoyingly pragmatic founder Ben from Consent Kit John from Credo and EditorNinja Cam Sloan Michael Koper of Nusii Proposals Chris from Urlbox Caeli of Tosslet Greg Park from TraitLab Adam from Rails Autoscale Lana and Alex from Recapsy Joe Masilotti of railsdevs.com Proud MaMa from Oplnet, LLC Anna from Kradl Moncef from Ruby on Mac Steve of Be Inclusive Simon Bennett of SnapShooter Backups Josh Smith of Keyhero.io Jesper Christiansen of FormBackend Matthew Wojtowicz of WorkCited Chris of Jetboost.io Daryl Shannon of Docamatic Arvid Kahl James Sowers from Castaway.fm Jessica Malnik Damian Moore of Audio Audit Podcast Checker Eldon from NodleStudios Mitchell Davis from RecruitKit

Colleen and Michele both have a lot going on. Huge thanks to all of our listeners who’ve become Software Socialites and support our show! You can become a supporter for $10 a month or $100 a year at softwaresocial.dev/supporters Chris from Chipper CI The Daringly Handsome Kevin Griffin And Mike from Gently Used Domains, who has a nice personality Dave from Recut Max of OnlineOrNot Stefan from Talk to Stefan Brendan Andrade of Bright Bits Team Tuple Alex Hillman from The Tiny MBA Ramy from Memo.fm Jane and Benedikt from Userlist Kendall Morgan Ruben Gamez of SignWell Corey Haines of SwipeWell Mike Wade of Crowd Sentry Nate Ritter of Room Steals Anna Maste of Subscribe Sense Geoff Roberts from Outseta Justin Jackson, MegaMaker Jack Ellis and Paul Jarvis from Fathom Analytics Matthew from Appointment Reminder Andrew Culver at Bullet Train John Kostor Alex of Corso Systems Richard from Stunning Josh,the annoyingly pragmatic founder Ben from Consent Kit John from Credo and EditorNinja Cam Sloan Michael Koper of Nusii Proposals Chris from Urlbox Caeli of Tosslet Greg Park from TraitLab Adam from Rails Autoscale Lana and Alex from Recapsy Joe Masilotti of railsdevs.com Proud MaMa from Oplnet, LLC Anna from Kradl Moncef from Ruby on Mac Steve of Be Inclusive Simon Bennett of SnapShooter Backups Josh Smith of Keyhero.io Jesper Christiansen of FormBackend Matthew Wojtowicz of WorkCited Arvid Kahl James Sowers from Castaway.fm Jessica Malnik Damian Moore of Audio Audit Podcast Checker Eldon from NodleStudios Mitchell Davis from RecruitKit