Pride is an illusion wrapped in a lie, and it's in each of us. It’s our desire for total independence from our Creator, and it makes us feel good because we feel secure and capable. But it never satisfies in the way we think it will. In this episode, Preston and Jackie discuss how keeping God as our reference point is the only way to embrace true humility. This Episode Sponsored by: https://magicspoon.com/PERRY — Get $5 off right now with code PERRY! https://liberty.edu/Perry — Get your application fee WAIVED when you start your future with Liberty University today! Grab your tickets to join us for the With the Perrys Podcast Tour this summer! withtheperrys.com/tour Subscribe to the Perrys' newsletter. To support the work of the Perrys, donate via PayPal. To advertise with the Perrys, visit WithThePerrys.com/Partner. www.withtheperrys.com www.jackiehillperry.com www.preston-perry.com

Preston operates in a number of roles: husband, father, evangelist, apologist, poet... and now, he's added "author" to the list. The Perrys discuss the spiritual opposition he experienced writing his first book and why they believe the enemy didn’t want this book to reach the world. How to Tell the Truth isn't a book that teaches you how to evangelize "like Preston." It's a book that robs every believer of the excuses that keep them from sharing the Gospel. Here's the good news: you don't need seminary training to tell the world about Jesus. How to Tell the Truth: The Story of How God Saved Me to Win Hearts, Not Just Arguments releases on May 21, 2024. Pre-order here: https://preston-perry.com/how-to-tell-the-truth This Episode Sponsored by: https://liberty.edu/WiththePerrys — Get your application fee WAIVED when you start your future with Liberty University today! https://www.covenanteyes.com — Try Victory by Covenant Eyes FREE for 30 days with promo code PERRYS! Grab your tickets to join us for the With the Perrys Podcast Tour this summer! withtheperrys.com/tour Subscribe to the Perrys' newsletter. To support the work of the Perrys, donate via PayPal. To advertise with the Perrys, visit WithThePerrys.com/Partner. www.withtheperrys.com www.jackiehillperry.com www.preston-perry.com

In celebration of a decade of marriage, Jackie and Preston react to their wedding video and reminisce about everything from Jackie’s dress and “flower distributors” to whether or not Preston cried as she walked down the aisle and the reason they were late for their own reception. After laughing through their recollections of that day, the Perrys talk about the importance of their friendship and the beauty of learning to love one another unconditionally. This Episode Sponsored by: https://www.richmont.edu — Use promo code PERRYS to waive your application fee today Grab your tickets to join us for the With the Perrys Podcast Tour this summer! withtheperrys.com/tour Subscribe to the Perrys' newsletter. To support the work of the Perrys, donate via PayPal. To advertise with the Perrys, visit WithThePerrys.com/Partner. www.withtheperrys.com www.jackiehillperry.com www.preston-perry.com

Even if we’re in Christ, we can find ourselves being drawn back into former strongholds of sin and fleshly desires. The world may feel fun, but some of our “fun” has Satan attached to it, and we need deliverance. Jackie and Preston discuss the idea that we love perverted versions of pleasure – not the real thing God wants to give us. But there’s hope. If we are in Christ, we’re being sanctified every day as God regenerates us, giving us new desires, new thoughts, and new perspectives. Grab your tickets to join us for the With the Perrys Podcast Tour this summer! withtheperrys.com/tour Subscribe to the Perrys' newsletter. To support the work of the Perrys, donate via PayPal. To advertise with the Perrys, visit WithThePerrys.com/Partner. www.withtheperrys.com www.jackiehillperry.com www.preston-perry.com

The story of the woman at the well is a lesson from Jesus about how to do ministry. Jesus leads with His humanity and His neediness, is curious about the woman’s life, and exposes her sin to reveal her need for God. Jackie and Preston talk through common preconceived ideas about this story and how we – like the woman – can be set out on mission after simple yet impactful encounters with Christ. Grab your tickets to join us for the With the Perrys Podcast Tour this summer! withtheperrys.com/tour Subscribe to the Perrys' newsletter. To support the work of the Perrys, donate via PayPal. To advertise with the Perrys, visit WithThePerrys.com/Partner. www.withtheperrys.com www.jackiehillperry.com www.preston-perry.com

What's destructive, expensive, and detrimental to your soul? Porn. If we had eyes to see how many demons are behind pornography, we would run from it. If we knew how much the devil delights in it, it would not be appealing to us. By the grace of God, Preston has been freed from pornography for three years, and he shares his experience in this episode. God is a loving God. If you run to Him for help, He’ll sustain you. Find one of our first YouTube conversations on the topic here: Soooo, about pornography. https://www.covenanteyes.com — Try Victory by Covenant Eyes FREE for 30 days with promo code PERRYS! Grab your tickets to join us for the With the Perrys Podcast Tour this summer! withtheperrys.com/tour Subscribe to the Perrys' newsletter. To support the work of the Perrys, donate via PayPal. To advertise with the Perrys, visit WithThePerrys.com/Partner. www.withtheperrys.com www.jackiehillperry.com www.preston-perry.com

The church in America has mastered the art of gathering people, but discipleship is often lacking. Dr. Eric Mason joins the Perrys for a conversation on cults and other cultural ideologies. Grab Dr. Mason’s latest book, Urban Apologetics: Cults and Cultural Ideologies: Biblical and Theological Challenges Facing Christians Connect with Dr. Mason: PastorEMase.com @pastoremase on Instagram Grab your tickets to join us for the With the Perrys Podcast Tour this summer! withtheperrys.com/tour Subscribe to the Perrys' newsletter. To support the work of the Perrys, donate via PayPal. To advertise with the Perrys, visit WithThePerrys.com/Partner. www.withtheperrys.com www.jackiehillperry.com www.preston-perry.com

A well-known pastor and radio host recently came under fire for his public opinion on attending the wedding of a same-sex couple, and it got the Perrys talking. How can you be faithful to Jesus while caring for and honoring people? This conversation starts at the foundation of the issue: knowing what you believe about God and marriage before discerning your ‘yes’ or your ‘no.’ https://www.covenanteyes.com — Try Victory by Covenant Eyes FREE for 30 days with promo code PERRYS! Resources: 1: Christianity Today, "Alistair Begg Meets the Politically Correct" 2: Does the Bible Support Same-Sex Marriage? by Preston Sprinkle 3: Gay Girl, Good God by Jackie Hill Perry 4: Finding the Right Hills to Die On by Gavin Ortlund Grab your tickets to join us for the With the Perrys Podcast Tour this summer! withtheperrys.com/tour Subscribe to the Perrys' newsletter. To support the work of the Perrys, donate via PayPal. To advertise with the Perrys, visit WithThePerrys.com/Partner. www.withtheperrys.com www.jackiehillperry.com www.preston-perry.com

Before penning books, the Perrys penned poems. In this episode, Preston and Jackie give us a behind-the-scenes look inside a few of their favorite pieces. From Jackie’s testimony poem to Preston’s proposal poem, prepare to be immersed in a world of imagery, word play, alliteration, and so much more. Watch the poems: My Life as a Stud Covenant One Flesh Take our brief listener survey. Grab your tickets to join us for the With the Perrys Podcast Tour this summer! withtheperrys.com/tour Subscribe to the Perrys' newsletter. To support the work of the Perrys, donate via PayPal. To advertise with the Perrys, visit WithThePerrys.com/Partner. www.withtheperrys.com www.jackiehillperry.com www.preston-perry.com

The thought of writing a devotional never crossed Jackie's mind, but the Lord changed that. In this episode, the Perrys highlight a few things that compete for our attention and take away from adequate time in God’s Word. Jackie's new devotional, Upon Waking, was created to help us all cultivate a daily habit of seeking the Lord before anything else. Grab your copy of Upon Waking here. Take our brief listener survey. Grab your tickets to join us for the With the Perrys Podcast Tour this summer! withtheperrys.com/tour Subscribe to the Perrys' newsletter. To support the work of the Perrys, donate via PayPal. To advertise with the Perrys, visit WithThePerrys.com/Partner. www.withtheperrys.com www.jackiehillperry.com www.preston-perry.com

Preston Sprinkle doesn’t shy away from the tension of wrestling with what the Bible says about marriage and sexuality. As his theological curiosity has led him to search the scriptures and dialogue with people in the LGBTQ community, Preston is also committed to embodying the grace and kindness of Jesus. He joins the Perrys on today’s episode to discuss some of his methods in approaching the topic of same-sex marriage. It all starts with asking the fundamental question, “What is marriage?” Follow Preston Sprinkle at PrestonSprinkle.com and check out his new book, Does the Bible Support Same-Sex Marriage? His other books include Embodied: Transgender Identities, the Church, and What the Bible Has to Say and People to Be Loved: Why Homosexuality Is Not Just an Issue. Take our brief listener survey. Grab your tickets to join us for the With the Perrys Podcast Tour this summer! withtheperrys.com/tour Subscribe to the Perrys' newsletter. To support the work of the Perrys, donate via PayPal. To advertise with the Perrys, visit WithThePerrys.com/Partner. www.withtheperrys.com www.jackiehillperry.com www.preston-perry.com

Why is it important we address sin when presenting the gospel? Because people need to know what stands in the way of their relationship with God… but how we communicate really matters. In this episode, Jackie and Preston take a look at 2 Timothy 2, which discusses character traits necessary when addressing sin. We can’t do it in our flesh. It requires dependence on the Holy Spirit. If you missed Part 1 of this gospel conversation, check it out here. Take our brief listener survey. Grab your tickets to join us for the With the Perrys Podcast Tour this summer! withtheperrys.com/tour Subscribe to the Perrys' newsletter. To support the work of the Perrys, donate via PayPal. To advertise with the Perrys, visit WithThePerrys.com/Partner. www.withtheperrys.com www.jackiehillperry.com www.preston-perry.com

In our communication of the gospel message, many of us overemphasize the fall, leading the conversation by starting with our sin. We inherited sin, but we were not created to be sinful. It is wiser for us to begin the gospel conversation by communicating the nature of God – “God is good.” Join Jackie and Preston for Part 1 of a conversation on engaging those around us with the gospel, and being anchored in love as we do so. Pre-order Jackie’s book, Upon Waking: UponWakingBook.com What Is the Gospel? (Crucial Questions) by R.C. Sproul Gospel Fluency: Speaking the Truths of Jesus into the Everyday Stuff of Life by Jeff Vanderstelt Romans 1 - 7 for You: For Reading, for Feeding, for Leading (God's Word for You) by Timothy Keller Take our brief listener survey. Grab your tickets to join us for the With the Perrys Podcast Tour this summer! withtheperrys.com/tour Subscribe to the Perrys' newsletter. To support the work of the Perrys, donate via PayPal. To advertise with the Perrys, visit WithThePerrys.com/Partner. www.withtheperrys.com www.jackiehillperry.com www.preston-perry.com

If marriage feels difficult, it’s not because you and your spouse are incompatible. It’s because you’re married. On today’s episode, Jackie and Preston are joined by mentors and friends CD and Melody Fabien for a conversation about fighting for intimacy. They talk about recognizing dysfunctional rhythms, finding opportunities to connect, not building cases against your spouse, healthy confrontation, and utilizing the greatest tool God has given us to find oneness in marriage: communication. Follow CD and Melody at CDandMelody.com and YouTube.com/@hangingwiththefabiens Take our brief listener survey. Grab your tickets to join us for the With the Perrys Podcast Tour this summer! withtheperrys.com/tour Subscribe to the Perrys' newsletter. To support the work of the Perrys, donate via PayPal. To advertise with the Perrys, visit WithThePerrys.com/Partner. www.withtheperrys.com www.jackiehillperry.com www.preston-perry.com

Boldness isn’t making public stances on things all the time, and it’s not just saying everything that pops into your head. In this episode, Jackie and Preston talk about what it truly means to cultivate holistic boldness as a Christ follower today. It’s about obedience to God, death to self, and empowerment by the Holy Spirit. And you don’t have to feel bold to be bold. Let’s talk about it. Take our brief listener survey. Grab your tickets to join us for the With the Perrys Podcast Tour this summer! withtheperrys.com/tour Subscribe to the Perrys' newsletter. To support the work of the Perrys, donate via PayPal. To advertise with the Perrys, visit WithThePerrys.com/Partner. www.withtheperrys.com www.jackiehillperry.com www.preston-perry.com

From being long distance to living in the same city and then taking a pivotal trip together to the Caribbean, the Perrys’ dating relationship had a bit of a rocky start. Jackie ended things with Preston not once but twice, she says out of fear of Preston’s loving pursuit of her. It didn’t help that Preston didn’t know how to lead her well. There’s a lot they would have done differently, but in the end, their story is a reflection of Jesus’ Gospel pursuit of each of us. Take our brief listener survey. Grab your tickets to join us for the With the Perrys Podcast Tour this summer! withtheperrys.com/tour Subscribe to the Perrys' newsletter. To support the work of the Perrys, donate via PayPal. To advertise with the Perrys, visit WithThePerrys.com/Partner. www.withtheperrys.com www.jackiehillperry.com www.preston-perry.com

A conversation with Preston about his book-writing experience turns into a much bigger dialogue about the creative process. Jackie asks Preston about the obstacles he’s run into moving from poet to author, and Preston explains why he really doesn’t believe in writer’s block. The Perrys talk about battling perfectionism, receiving critiques, and inviting other people into the writing journey. Check out Gay Girl, Good God. Take our brief listener survey. Grab your tickets to join us for the With the Perrys Podcast Tour this summer! withtheperrys.com/tour Subscribe to the Perrys' newsletter. To support the work of the Perrys, donate via PayPal. To advertise with the Perrys, visit WithThePerrys.com/Partner. www.withtheperrys.com www.jackiehillperry.com www.preston-perry.com

Many of us got comfortable not going to church through the pandemic and we’re slowly finding our way back. The Bible tells us we need other Christians and we’re missing something if we don’t gather together to hear God’s Word. But our relationship to church can still be complicated. Jackie and Preston’s conversation today covers topics like worship style preferences, doctrinally sound preaching and discipleship, the pressure that local pastors face because of social media, and the topic of church hurt. Take our brief listener survey. Grab your tickets to join us for the With the Perrys Podcast Tour this summer! withtheperrys.com/tour Subscribe to the Perrys' newsletter. To support the work of the Perrys, donate via PayPal. To advertise with the Perrys, visit WithThePerrys.com/Partner. www.withtheperrys.com www.jackiehillperry.com www.preston-perry.com

A few years back, the Perrys started a series on the podcast called “Teach the Text,” and that’s the format of today’s new episode. Jackie teaches through Genesis 16 – the story of Hagar, Abram, and Sarai – reflecting on the unique questions that only a woman might think to ask of this text. Jackie and Preston discuss impatience, idolatry, and misplaced hope, at the end pointing us to the God who sees us in our suffering. Check out other “Teach the Text” episodes: Jude John 9 Shop BOLD Apparel at BOLDApparel.Shop. Take our brief listener survey. Grab your tickets to join us for the With the Perrys Podcast Tour this summer! withtheperrys.com/tour Subscribe to the Perrys' newsletter. To support the work of the Perrys, donate via PayPal. To advertise with the Perrys, visit WithThePerrys.com/Partner. www.withtheperrys.com www.jackiehillperry.com www.preston-perry.com

Jackie and Preston revisit a conversation had during the very first season of the podcast five years ago – how to argue well. Confrontation is a necessary function of a healthy relationship and it can create more intimacy. But how do we honor God and one another as we move through conflict? The Perrys have some thoughts from what they’ve learned over the years. Shop BOLD Apparel at BOLDApparel.Shop. Take our brief listener survey. Grab your tickets to join us for the With the Perrys Podcast Tour this summer! withtheperrys.com/tour Subscribe to the Perrys' newsletter. To support the work of the Perrys, donate via PayPal. To advertise with the Perrys, visit WithThePerrys.com/Partner. www.withtheperrys.com www.jackiehillperry.com www.preston-perry.com