There are two types of people who buy gold. Speculators who see it as a risk-adverse asset class to buy when other investments look a little shaky. There are also those who hold onto gold because they believe paper money has no intrinsic value and is therefore susceptible to collapse. Zimbabwe, who’s paper currency has been undergoing decades of increasing worthlessness, is now being replaced by a new form of blockchain currency – the ZiG, completely backed by gold and foreign currencies. Phil and Steve discuss whether it’s a smart move for Zimbabwe, before looking at the broader global preoccupation with the stuff.  Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Sadly for Donald Trump, America seems to have been doing quite well in his absence. It has weathered the pandemic and inflation better than most. GDP pr capita is rising faster than most places and consumer spending is on the up. In fact, the main reason the Federal Reserve isn’t cutting rates is because the economy is doing so well they don’t see the need for a sudden change. But there are lots of warts in the US too. Industrial production plateaued decades ago, crime is rampant, despite the high predisposition for putting people in prison, the rich-poor gap is as wide as ever and, even though America spends more than anyone on health, they have a comparatively low life expectancy. Has America lost its way, with China beating it on EVs and, possibly AI, with Boeing outstripping Boeing because their planes are less prone to falling apart? This week Phil and Steve talk about what needs to change, and what happens if more of the world decides not to conduct international trade in US dollars. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

For a while now Dr Edgar Feige has been a proponent of an automated transactional tax. The idea is that we get rid of all taxes – income tax, sales tax, corporate tax, excise, capital gains, import and export duties, inheritance – and replace it all with a tax on all transactions Every transaction, which can be easily identified through bank accounts, has a very small tax on it. Phil and Steve discuss the pros and cons this week. It’s certain broad in its reach, but is there a danger that it could penalise those on lower incomes. There’s certainly a question mark on how it addresses the hoarding of money or long-term investment in asset classes that show strong capital gains. Perhaps it needs to work in conjunction with some means of taxing wealth – but that means, already, the simplicity of a transaction-only tax disappears. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

There’s been a lot of speculation lately about the role of immigration and its impact on inflation. Does a flood of foreign workers push down wages, which contains cost and keeps prices down? Conversely, did the low immigration levels post-COVID add to the wage pressures because, combined with sickness from COVID, there were a lot less people for every job vacancy. It sounds sensible, but Steve believes it’s only a small part of the issue. And if did have the potential to increase labour supply governments are often negating the benefits by failing to invest money into the economy, putting pressure on services and creating another inflation dynamic. We also hear from Ben, who has a few words to say on the recent Elon Musk episode and all the talk of emigrating to Mars. Apparently we ignored the sex angle. Ad Ben set the task for next week’s podcast. Feel free to add your own contribution by clicking on the mic logo at debunkingeconomics.com Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

The Bank of Japan has just lifted interest rates for the first time in 17 tears. The central bank has kept rates in negative territory in the mistaken belief that it would encourage banks to lend an people to borrow, helping to boost their flagging economy. Steve Keen says it’s based on the mistaken belief that banks lend money from their reserve accounts. They believed that by charging to hold onto the money banks will prefer to lend it out. If that was the case, the policy has been a dismal failure, with bank lending falling over the years the policy has been in place. So what next for a country with a shrinking, ageing population and massive private debt. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

One analogy that economists like to use is that of the Capitol Hill Babysitting cooperative in Washington DC in the 1970s. Government workers set-up a babysitting group, where they to it in turns to babysit each other’s children, so they could enjoy nights out without paying for childcare. There were quite a few on the group, so payment was formalised through the issuance of scrip. Economists like it because it mirrors a monetary system and suffers some of the pitfalls and problems faced in the economy at large. For example, the system quickly stopped functioning because some members would horde scrips, leaving others with none, and unable to go out for the night. The short-term fix was to issue more scrip, to get over this liquidity problem. Steve is concerned about drawing too many conclusions from such a microcosm, but it does seem curious how government workers are okay with issuing more Scrip for babysitters, but don’t see the need to expand the money supply in the broader economy. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

The UK Chancellor Jeremy Hunt delivered what is almost certainly his last budget, promising the usual stuff – more investment, more jobs, better public services and lower taxes. And, miraculously, all of this will be achieved by lowering government spending. Despite the rubbery figures, Steve Keen argues that the budget ignores the key principle, that you can’t increase GDP if the government is cutting back on money creation by trying to reduce its “deficit”. A get-out clause on that would be if the country was to see a sudden increase in the export/import ratio. That is in the budget figures, without any explanation as to how that’ll happen. So, what does a Steve Keen UK budget look like? Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

The UK Debt Office has started selling bonds to retail investors through the primary market Previously the only way you could buy government bonds was through financial institutions, through ETFs, for example. The reason giving for opening it up to consumers is that it will allow them to “contribute more significantly to meeting the overall financing requirement”. Hat makes it sound like they are concerned that there won’t be sufficient demand from institutional investors, including the banks. Steve Keen says what they probably don’t understand is this move will actually shrink the amount of money in circulation. That’s probably a bad move in a stagnant economy. To make matters worse, they ar ehell bent on selling off the government’s shareholding of the Nat West group, which will have a similar impact. Listen in to find out how and why. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Elon Musk has his fingers in many pies. Social media, space travel, internet access, AI. Even tunnel drilling. He’s grown from developing a modest series of online city guides, to being one of the richest men on the planet. Is he a genius, or simply a Trumpesque style wheeler and dealer? This week phil – not a big fan – asks Steve – massive fan – whether Elon Musk is actually good for humanity. It’s a chance for Steve to expound his theory that whatever else he is doing he is preparing the way for mankind to leave the planet and live on Mars. Disturbing news for Phil, who quite like it here, mostly. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

The concept of American Exceptionalism has been talked about for decades, mainly by Americans. Now the term is back in vogue because the US has shown the fastest recovery from the pandemic and subsequent inflation. It’s also a period of intense speculation in US shares, driven by phenomenal rises in the value of big tech stocks. Is this something the rest of the world should be worried about. Is American Exceptionalism real? To put things back in perspective Steve Keen reminds us that the share market is nothing more than a Ponzi scheme, and whilst the US might account for 70% of the market cap of global equities, it still only represents 11% of world trade. So it might just be exceptional at the wrong things. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Rishi Sunak, like most politicians, is adamant that he can grow the economy by getting businesses to be more productive. But can businesses really grow the economy by themselves, if the government just gets out the way? You might think that by employing more people, or creating more widgets, you are helping the economy. But there’s one big constraint, which is how much money you have to spend. Without taking out a loan you can’t spend more money than you have in your own personal bank account. So, businesses that produce more will find there’s no market for any extra products, unless the supply of money increases. There are caveats, which are basically covered in the formula for GDP – but, by and large, Rishi Sunak is trying to encourage more spending by limiting the amount of cash we have by reducing government borrowing.  Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Have central banks waited too long before dropping interest rates. Over the last week or so we’ve had Jerome Powell, the Governor of the Fed, saying inflation is coming down but they want to see more data before they’re convinced enough to drop rates. The Bank of England’s Andrew bailey said pretty much the same thing. And the ECB. But, as Phil and Steve observe this week, whilst we wait bank loans to corporations are falling rapidly, and in the US corporate bound issuance is also well down. Delaying rate cuts is hurting businesses who can’t grow and increase supplies to help reduce inflation. In fact, it is arguably making inflation worse. Steve argues this week that the main cause of inflation this time round has been margin profiteering by corporations, because demand is high and supply constrained. If companies can’t borrow to extend production, to retain profits all they can do is keep pushing prices higher and enjoy greater margins. It’s a long way from the monetarist philosophy which has been driving interest rates higher. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Yanis Varoufakis joins Steve nd Phil this week to talk about the thinking behind his new book technofeudalism. The ‘cloudists, as he calls them, aren’t operating in the market, they have replaced the market. They learn from us tell us what we want to buy and then sell it to us. Their capital is the algorithm they have developed, but also the information we provide in the records of our behaviour and the posts that we make. The result is a massive accumulation of wealth. But how sustainable is a model that sees so much money being made by so few people? Yanis says it’s not at all sustainable, and suggests a couple of ways that the governments of the world can respond, so that we benefit from the technology without destroying our respective economies. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

If Trump has one sensible policy its his drive to reindustrialise America. Since he left the Oval Office we’ve had global supply chains challenged by the pandemic, wars and a downturn in economies we used to rely on for cheap goods. The financial advantage of outsourcing to Asia is losing some of its gloss, and the uncertainty of supply has to be a real concern. Add climate change to the equation, with haulage vessels mass emitters of pollution, there are even more reasons to produce more at home. But how realistic is it for a country like Britain to reindustrialise. Shouldn’t it be a priority? Or are we still wedded to the Ricardian theory of comparative advantage?  Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Is it right that the growth opportunities of businesses are determined by the vagaries of the finance markets. Companies wanting to raise debt through bonds or bank loans face higher costs right now because of the rise in interest rates. Someone with a great idea could be held back because of the cost of borrowing. Whether its borrowing or issuance of equity businesses will find an increasing chunk of their earnings are being fed to the finance sector. Increasingly, a sector that minimises risks by only lending to companies supported by assets. Phil and Steve discuss whether there a role for the government to be more involved in developing a higher-risk, lower cost approach to loans. And when it comes to smaller businesses managing cash-flow could a more amenable tax office be part of the solution?  Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

As you’ll hear at the start of this week’s podcast Warren Buffet isn’t a big fan of private equity firms. He says they lie, so they are not a good choice for investors, like pension funds, for example. But they are even worse for the companies being acquired by private equity funds. Morrisons is an example. A successful supermarket chain with a long, distinguished history, acquired by a US private equity fund, who bought out shareholders. Then, in true private equity fashion, employers are told that there will have to be savings made to cover the debt – the debt that was created by paying out shareholders for the acquisition. How is that fair on anybody, except the executives of the equity fund who benefit from the increasing equity in their portfolio, which they can enjoy at lower tax rates than a business out to make a profit. Is that how capitalism is supposed to work? Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

The UK government has been refusing the pay demands of young doctors in the UK who held a series of strikes in 2023. Their argument is that pay has been declining in real-terms since 2008. Unless pay catches-up there will continue to be a drain of new recruits, which will impact patient safety and put undue pressure on those left working in the NHS. Steve Keen says the government’s argument – that there just isn’t the money – ignores the ability for sovereign nations to create new money. There’s an argument that if you create too much it will create inflation, but that applies more to the generation of excess demand for goods and services. Nobody chooses to go to hospital. So, is the government’s end-game to destabilise the NHS and force more private health provision, so less of the cost appears on their balance sheet? Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Our podcast listeners often ask which economics books they should read to get up to speed on some of the discussions we have, and to understand more about the way the economy really works. This week, for those with a wad of book tokens gifted to them at Christmas, we look at a selection that are worth getting stuck into over the holiday period including: Gleeson-White, J. (2011). Double Entry. Sydney, Allen and Unwin. https://www.janegleesonwhite.com/double. A beautifully written exposition of the evolution of double-entry bookkeeping. Bak, P. (1996). How nature works: the science of self-organized criticality. New York, Springer. https://link.springer.com/book/10.1007/978-1-4757-5426-1. An accessible explanation of a complex subject. Minsky, H. P. (1982). Can "it" happen again? : essays on instability and finance. Armonk, N.Y., M.E. Sharpe. Can It Happen Again? | Essays on Instability and Finance | Hyman Minsk (taylorfrancis.com). About twenty very well written short essays by Minsky that explain his approach to economics. Much better than either of his books. Lynas, M. (2020). Our Final Warning: Six Degrees of Climate Emergency. London, HarperCollins Publishers. https://www.amazon.co.uk/Our-Final-Warning-Degrees-Emergency-ebook/dp/B07YN9WSN8/. The best read on what climate change will actually mean. Adams, D. (2003). The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: The Original Radio Scripts. additional material by M. J. Simpson. (25th Anniversary ed.). London, Pan Books. https://www.amazon.co.uk/Original-Hitchhikers-Guide-Galaxy-Scripts/dp/1529034477. An antidote to reality. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Central banks assume there is a natural rate of interest – a point of equilibrium at which the demand for loans matches the supply of loans. They believe if interest rates have been too low, they risk over-heating the economy, risking inflation. But does it work? Steve suggests that interest rates should be fixed, with control of the economy managed through government fiscal policy. But Phil asks, won’t interest rates always move? If somebody wanted to borrow money off you, and you knew there was few other places they could get a loan from, surely you’ll charge them more. Or if you fear inflation will rise, won’t you want to charge higher interest to compensate for the effective reduction in the money returned to you at the end of the loan? Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Keir Starmer will be the UK’s next Prime Minister. Few things in life are more certain. So why did he see the need to write an opinion piece for the Telegraph extolling the virtues of Margaret Thatcher. He said she had freed up Britain’s entrepreneurial spirit. Really? She also created massive private debt, driven by a tax-incentivised housing bubble that together with market liberalisation, led to the growth of highly paid jobs in the finance sector in the south, whilst her industrial policy and attacks on unions saw northern towns laid to waste. Hardly a period of history you’d imagine a left-wing leader to look back on in a favourable light. Unless, of course, Keir Starmer isn’t really a Labour leader. Phil and Steve look back at the good and bad of Margaret Thatcher’s decade in power and the lasting effects it had on the UK economy. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.